September 2017 - Public - talk.mikrotik.com.au

Fwd: xDSL SFPs
by Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) 27 Aug '18

27 Aug '18

That's flat out wrong. Have a look at the PDF on http://www.acma.gov.au/ Industry/Suppliers/Regulatory-arrangements/EMC- Electromagnetic-compatibility/emc-standards-list and see page 5. All IT equipment - no exceptions - must be tested (by an approved tester) to and comply with CISPR-32 and get a C-Tick for use in Australia. Upshot is don't import and use or sell the SPF modules unless the supplier has ensure it's complied. Duxtel know all about this - they supply all their Mikrotik gear (including boring old routers with no Wifi) with pretty little compliance stickers. On 9 August 2017 at 17:05, Paul Julian <paul(a)oxygennetworks.com.au> wrote: > Agreed, the VC-231's are Tick approved, PSU and Bridge, we use a lot of > them when deployed as a NTU for a VDSL2 DSLAM Implementation or as a point > to point VDSL2 link. > > C tick or A tick approval is only required when connecting > telecommunication devices to public communication networks, C tick or A > tick approval is required for radio communications devices, so if it's a > telecommunications device connected to a private wire you don't need > approval, if it's a radio communications device you need approval no matter > what. > > The ACMA make it pretty clear on their website if you aren't sure. > > http://www.acma.gov.au/theACMA/bringing-communications- > equipment-into-australia > > Regards > paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of > Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) > Sent: Wednesday, 9 August 2017 4:52 PM > To: MikroTik Australia Public List > Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] xDSL SFPs > > That's partly true. As it's an active device it still needs C-Tick > approval for electromagnetic compatibility and susceptibility reasons. > There are likely even considerations for electrical isolation as it can > connect two sites on different AC phases and potentials. Considering it's > pumping HF energy into a long wire it's like a radio transmitter anyway so > it definitely needs to comply. > > On 9 August 2017 at 16:45, Paul Julian <paul(a)oxygennetworks.com.au> wrote: > > > If it's a private CAT3 cable there are no approvals required as it's > > just a private link. > > > > We use the Planet VC-231 bridges for that sort of thing, they are > > pretty good and will do 100/100 over a couple of hundred metres with > good cable. > > > > Regards > > Paul > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of > > Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) > > Sent: Wednesday, 9 August 2017 4:41 PM > > To: MikroTik Australia Public List > > Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] xDSL SFPs > > > > Yes the belt and braces and correct way is to find a version that > > someone has had approved for use in Australia. I don't think anyone > > has done that yet! It'd be nice if the manufacturer did the legwork > > but they only do FCC and CE. > > > > On 9 August 2017 at 16:33, Russell Hurren > > <russell(a)zeropointnetworks.com> > > wrote: > > > > > I've just had a client call me and ask for a WiFi repeater to go in > > > the house next to their motel. There's already CAT3 running between > > > the buildings, so something like that would be a good option for me. > > > I'd be willing to order a pair and give it a try, but I'm not sure > > > about the legality - I presume it'd need an A-Tick approval? > > > > > > I've got a CRS125 in the main building and I could put a hAP ac in > > > the house and it'd be a nice clean option, compared to using > > > something like a Planet VC-231. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf > > > Of Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) > > > Sent: Wednesday, 26 July 2017 8:37 > > > To: MikroTik Australia Public List <public(a)talk.mikrotik.com.au> > > > Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] xDSL SFPs > > > > > > That said, the http://www.proscend.com/en-gb/product/sfp/180cr.html > > > looks interesting for linking buildings that have old CAT3 cabling > > > in between. I reckon I could have used that sort of thing in a few > > > places instead of wireless. Has anyone tried these sort of VDSL2 > > bridges? > > > > > > On 26 July 2017 at 10:20, Philip Loenneker <Philip.Loenneker@tasmanet. > > > com.au > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > If anyone would care to donate a unit, I have a service I can test > > > > it > > on. > > > > And as an RSP, we have direct access to the NBN portal to request > > > > reactivation if it gets blocked :) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On > > > > Behalf Of Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) > > > > Sent: Wednesday, 26 July 2017 10:17 AM > > > > To: MikroTik Australia Public List <public(a)talk.mikrotik.com.au> > > > > Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] xDSL SFPs > > > > > > > > I think we're all pretty excited about the prospects of those > > > > VDSL2 and G.Fast SFP modules (I am getting FTTC so G.Fast is > > > > probably on the cards one day). I guess you can be the guinea pig > > > > and be the one to risk explaining to your ISP why your port should > be unlocked. > > > > ;) > > > > > > > > On 26 July 2017 at 10:09, Damien Gardner Jnr <rendrag(a)rendrag.net> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > If you plug in a modem which does not support G.vector, the port > > > > > will get shut down within ~10 minutes, and requires a support > > > > > request from your > > > > RSP > > > > > to NBNco to have the port re-enabled. They don't specifically > > > > > detect > > > > modem > > > > > model and shut down if they don't know the model though, as far > > > > > as I > > > > know. > > > > > > > > > > IPOE on ADSL is an interesting one, that'd make setup very easy! > > > > > > > > > > On 26 July 2017 at 10:05, Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) < > > > > > jason(a)upandrunningtech.com.au> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> Be careful, I remember reading that modems not tested and > > > > >> authorised for NBN use can cause the port to be locked. Until > > > > >> someone goes to the expense of having them tested and approved > > > > >> for use in Australia (cough .. Mike?) you may not get much joy. > > > > >> They might work on a bog standard ADSL line. > > > > >> > > > > >> Speaking of which, I might be late to the party but I noticed > > > > >> that > > > > Telstra > > > > >> ADSL now supports IPoE as well as PPPoE/A. I reset an old > > > > >> cheapie/dodgy TPLink modem the other day for someone and > > > > >> without doing anything the PC connected did a DHCP request and > > > > >> got a public IP/DNS! When I set the modem up to do IPoE it > > > > >> picked all that up as well but for some reason wouldn't NAT or > > > > >> proxy the DNS. Wrote the modem off and we proceeded to order an > NBN service. > > > > >> > > > > >> On 26 July 2017 at 09:57, Damien Gardner Jnr > > > > >> <rendrag(a)rendrag.net> > > > > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> > Anyone else ordered one of the 180-T's yet? innet24.de are > > > > >> > now > > > > selling > > > > >> > them, but are waiting on a firmware update (due out next > > > > >> > week) before they're shipping more units. Looking forward to > > > > >> > getting one and > > > > seeing > > > > >> how > > > > >> > they go on NBN, if I can remove one device from the network > > > > >> > at home, > > > > >> I'll > > > > >> > be very happy! > > > > >> > > > > > >> > On 19 May 2017 at 08:08, Thomas Jackson > > > > >> > <thomas(a)thomax.com.au> > > > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Thanks for the responses everyone > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > Looks like we're using the double-sided tape again this > > > > >> > > time around > > > > :) > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > Sent from mobile > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > Thomas Jackson > > > > >> > > Managing Director > > > > >> > > +61 2 8378 5555 > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > On 18 May 2017, at 12:54 pm, Mike Everest > > > > >> > > > <mike(a)duxtel.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > I thought I'd chip in some commentary here since there is > > > > obviously > > > > >> > > plenty > > > > >> > > > of interest :-} > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > There are at least two products around that implement > > > > >> > > > some form of > > > > >> vDSL > > > > >> > > in > > > > >> > > > an SFP module, but there are lots of hurdles preventing > > > > >> > > > release to > > > > >> AU > > > > >> > > market > > > > >> > > > which are partly commercial (vendor requests significant > > > > >> > > > - circi > > > > >> > USD100K > > > > >> > > - > > > > >> > > > commitment prior to even proving viable operation on any > > > > >> > > > given > > > > >> network) > > > > >> > > and > > > > >> > > > partly technical (vDSL definition is somewhat 'loose' in > > > > >> implementation > > > > >> > > such > > > > >> > > > that there is no guarantee that something that works well > > > > >> > > > with one > > > > >> > vendor > > > > >> > > > DSLAM will also work with every other) > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > At DuxTel, we've been trying to work out a solution for > > > > >> > > > many > > > > months, > > > > >> > and > > > > >> > > > although we are closing on a potential outcome, there is > > > > >> > > > no firm > > > > >> date > > > > >> > for > > > > >> > > > market readiness. > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > One thing that we know of thus far: > > > > >> > > > - devices are real, and actually exist ;) > > > > >> > > > - devices work with MikroTik RouterOS to the extent that > > > > >> > > > they are > > > > >> > > recognised > > > > >> > > > by SFP drivers and 'inserted module' parameters are > > > > >> > > > reported > > > > >> correctly > > > > >> > > > - MikroTik are 'on board' to develop further support to > > > > >> > > > implement > > > > >> some > > > > >> > > form > > > > >> > > > of configuration interface for routerOS and this type of > > > > >> > > > device > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > Here is what we don't have yet: > > > > >> > > > - commercial agreement with manufacturing vendor/s to > > > > >> > > > support > > > > >> > > development of > > > > >> > > > solution to work with any given vDSL service (read: NBN) > > > > >> > > > - compliance testing documentation to support RCM > > > > >> > > > eligbility for > > > > AU > > > > >> > > > environment > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > What needs to happen before they are made available to > > > > >> > > > the AU > > > > >> market: > > > > >> > > > - compliance testing and certification > > > > >> > > > - testing (and probably some driver/firmware development) > > > > >> > > > to work > > > > >> with > > > > >> > > NBNCo > > > > >> > > > DSLAMs and other DSLAM vendors > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > The big hurdle to the above is in coming to some > > > > >> > > > commercial > > > > >> agreement > > > > >> > > with > > > > >> > > > one or more vendors that satisfies their need to cover > > > > >> > > > costs of > > > > >> final > > > > >> > > stages > > > > >> > > > of development and compliance testing. > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > My assessment of where this is all at is that the > > > > >> > > > manufacturer/s > > > > >> have > > > > >> > > > developed some 'proof of concept' hardware that seems to > > > > implement a > > > > >> > > general > > > > >> > > > form of vDSL (with ADSL fallback) BUT (and that's a big > > > > >> > > > BUT) there > > > > >> is a > > > > >> > > lot > > > > >> > > > of technical work to be done to deliver sufficient > > > > >> > > > confidence that > > > > >> they > > > > >> > > will > > > > >> > > > work reliably over any particular or general vDSL network. > > > > >> > > > That > > > > is > > > > >> not > > > > >> > > even > > > > >> > > > beginning to consider whether they are likely to meet any > > > > particular > > > > >> > > > regulatory compliance requirements for AU or any other > > > > jurisdiction > > > > >> ;) > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > So short story is: they are coming, perhaps, but probably > > > > >> > > > not any > > > > >> time > > > > >> > > soon > > > > >> > > > :-J > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > Questions (on or off list) are welcome! > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > Cheers, Mike. > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > >> > > > Public mailing list > > > > >> > > > Public(a)talk.mikrotik.com.au > > > > >> > > > http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk. > > > > >> > mikrotik.com.au > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > > > >> > > Public mailing list > > > > >> > > Public(a)talk.mikrotik.com.au > > > > >> > > http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk.mi > > > > >> > > k > > > > >> rotik.com.au > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > -- > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Damien Gardner Jnr > > > > >> > VK2TDG. Dip EE. GradIEAust > > > > >> > rendrag(a)rendrag.net - http://www.rendrag.net/ > > > > >> > -- > > > > >> > We rode on the winds of the rising storm, We ran to the > > > > >> > sounds of thunder. > > > > >> > We danced among the lightning bolts, and tore the world > > > > >> > asunder _______________________________________________ > > > > >> > Public mailing list > > > > >> > Public(a)talk.mikrotik.com.au > > > > >> > http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk.mik > > > > >> rotik.com.au > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> -- > > > > >> <https://www.upandrunningtech.com.au> > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > > >> Public mailing list > > > > >> Public(a)talk.mikrotik.com.au > > > > >> http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk. > > > > mikrotik.com.au > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > Damien Gardner Jnr > > > > > VK2TDG. Dip EE. 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XDSL WOOHOO
by Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) 27 Oct '17

27 Oct '17

https://shop.duxtel.com.au/product_info.php?products_id=488 https://shop.duxtel.com.au/product_info.php?products_id=489 Wow Mike did *you* get the approvals done or the manufacturer? I don't care JUST SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY! -- <https://www.upandrunningtech.com.au>

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Can't connect through Winbox/Dude
by Russell Hurren 05 Oct '17

05 Oct '17

I have an intermittent problem where some routers stop allowing Winbox or Dude connections. At the moment I have a CCR1009 at a client site that's working perfectly and I can ssh into it, but I can't use Winbox or the Dude. If I reboot it, it'll come good (but I'll have to do that late at night). I've had some x86 routers do the same thing. I can't see anything obvious in the logs or active connections. The problem occurs with multiple different ROS versions. Does anyone have any suggestions for troubleshooting this? Thanks Russell

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LTE modem with B28 support
by Andrew Gilbett 26 Sep '17

26 Sep '17

Hi All, I am wondering what your latest experience is with lte modules in mikrotiks especially devices that support Band28, aka 700MHz? Andrew

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Mikrotik AP range
by Erin Murphy 22 Sep '17

22 Sep '17

Hi all I've started to use Mikrotik on a regular basis on my installs and have found the range on their AP's are far short of some of the other brands I've been using. Have used Unifi, Luxul, Ignitenet etc and now Mikrotik. Have found I need up to 3 WAPACS where I would normally use 1 with another brand. I have regulatory country set in my Capsman controller and tx strength at default. Is this what others have found? The price of Mikrotik still makes it viable but the roaming between 3 AP's as opposed to 1 is a worry. Long time stalker, first time poster. Regards, Erin Murphy CHASE AV t. 0429 336606 e. erin(a)chaseav.com.au w. www.chaseav.com.au a. P.O. Box 933, Narrabeen, NSW, 2101 <http://www.chaseav.com.au>

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smartphones connected to directional antennas
by Andrew Radke 21 Sep '17

21 Sep '17

Hi all, I was wondering if any of you have had any experience, or done any testing, of smartphones connected to APs with directional antennas at multi-km distances. I have an extremely radio quiet rural valley that I’d like to push wireless signal into for VoIP but over distances of 1 - 5km. There would be APs on the range beside it with clear line of sight into the whole valley. To help reduce the issue of the hidden node problem (if any devices can even connect at all) I’d look at putting bandwidth limiting on each connected device of maybe 100-200 Kbps to keep the throughput of each one, and therefore collisions with other transmitting devices, as low as possible. I’d also only allow VoIP traffic through the router or AP to make sure that downloading emails doesn’t ruin their phone calls (or maybe just limit non-VoIP data to a very small fraction of throughput if needed). The VoIP client will mostly take care of jitter and buffering, and almost anything would still be better than than not even having a 3G signal as is the case at the moment. Obviously there are a mountain of gotchas and it depends in this scenario but I’d love to hear from anyone that has tried something similar. Thanks, Andrew

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VLAN support with RB750Gr3
by Chris Herrmann 18 Sep '17

18 Sep '17

Hi all, I've ended up going for the RB850Gx2 with Mike because it has the Atheros8327 switch chipset. This is the same as the RB2011 unit that it's replacing, which means that the switching performance & configuration should be closer and the 850 has faster IPSEC than the 2011. Cheers, Chris

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Dynadish Images
by Paul Julian 15 Sep '17

15 Sep '17

Hi All, just wondering if anybody has an image of a Dynadish installed on a mast somewhere I could use ? We are doing some land access notices and like to include photos of the gear we are installing as part of it but haven't actually installed one of these as yet. Thanks Paul

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VLAN support with RB750Gr3
by Chris Herrmann 12 Sep '17

12 Sep '17

Hi all, Looking at upgrading from RB2011 to this model to improve IPSEC throughput (don't need wifi on the unit). Sounds like the RB750Gr3 is much faster than the RB2011 for this... but... I've stumbled across some posts with people describing issues using VLANs on the RB750Gr3. The posts in question didn't appear to be resolved... so I figured I'd ask here - can you use vlans safely with this unit and <latest stable software/firmware>? The RB2011 has been working perfectly with this for years now, but we'd like to push far more than the 16Mbps that appears to be the ceiling we get pushing IPSEC packets. Anyone using it for this? Thanks! Chris

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LAN support with RB750Gr3
by Chris Herrmann 11 Sep '17

11 Sep '17

Hi all, thanks for the replies. Mike there's a comment from a Mikrotik staff member on this post: https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=113724&start=50 and other similar pages. The exact comment on this from MK specifically is: "RB750Gr3 switch chip does not have full VLAN tagging/untagging support yet, it is planned to implement it in future. Currently, you should use RB750Gr3 switch chip only for basic switching." that was in November 2016, so was hoping that maybe things had changed since then. as for whether I'll go a virtual or hardware switch I'm not sure at this point. In general I'd try and use hardware support for things because dedicated ASICs tend to give you better performance than relying up the main CPU to achieve a feature (this isn't a MK specific comment btw, true of any vendors I've come across). So currently I'm using the switch chip vlan not routerOS virtual interface tagging. If I could continue to use it, that would be my preference... but if not does it change the actual config design a lot? I'm guessing once you have the VLAN interface up then all your other rules are still referring to object(x) which just happens to be a virtual interface instead of a switch chip vlan? Or not...? Thanks! Chris

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