That's flat out wrong. Have a look at the PDF on http://www.acma.gov.au/ Industry/Suppliers/Regulatory-arrangements/EMC- Electromagnetic-compatibility/emc-standards-list and see page 5. All IT equipment - no exceptions - must be tested (by an approved tester) to and comply with CISPR-32 and get a C-Tick for use in Australia. Upshot is don't import and use or sell the SPF modules unless the supplier has ensure it's complied. Duxtel know all about this - they supply all their Mikrotik gear (including boring old routers with no Wifi) with pretty little compliance stickers. On 9 August 2017 at 17:05, Paul Julian <paul@oxygennetworks.com.au> wrote:
Agreed, the VC-231's are Tick approved, PSU and Bridge, we use a lot of them when deployed as a NTU for a VDSL2 DSLAM Implementation or as a point to point VDSL2 link.
C tick or A tick approval is only required when connecting telecommunication devices to public communication networks, C tick or A tick approval is required for radio communications devices, so if it's a telecommunications device connected to a private wire you don't need approval, if it's a radio communications device you need approval no matter what.
The ACMA make it pretty clear on their website if you aren't sure.
http://www.acma.gov.au/theACMA/bringing-communications- equipment-into-australia
Regards paul
-----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) Sent: Wednesday, 9 August 2017 4:52 PM To: MikroTik Australia Public List Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] xDSL SFPs
That's partly true. As it's an active device it still needs C-Tick approval for electromagnetic compatibility and susceptibility reasons. There are likely even considerations for electrical isolation as it can connect two sites on different AC phases and potentials. Considering it's pumping HF energy into a long wire it's like a radio transmitter anyway so it definitely needs to comply.
On 9 August 2017 at 16:45, Paul Julian <paul@oxygennetworks.com.au> wrote:
If it's a private CAT3 cable there are no approvals required as it's just a private link.
We use the Planet VC-231 bridges for that sort of thing, they are pretty good and will do 100/100 over a couple of hundred metres with good cable.
Regards Paul
-----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) Sent: Wednesday, 9 August 2017 4:41 PM To: MikroTik Australia Public List Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] xDSL SFPs
Yes the belt and braces and correct way is to find a version that someone has had approved for use in Australia. I don't think anyone has done that yet! It'd be nice if the manufacturer did the legwork but they only do FCC and CE.
On 9 August 2017 at 16:33, Russell Hurren <russell@zeropointnetworks.com> wrote:
I've just had a client call me and ask for a WiFi repeater to go in the house next to their motel. There's already CAT3 running between the buildings, so something like that would be a good option for me. I'd be willing to order a pair and give it a try, but I'm not sure about the legality - I presume it'd need an A-Tick approval?
I've got a CRS125 in the main building and I could put a hAP ac in the house and it'd be a nice clean option, compared to using something like a Planet VC-231.
-----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) Sent: Wednesday, 26 July 2017 8:37 To: MikroTik Australia Public List <public@talk.mikrotik.com.au> Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] xDSL SFPs
That said, the http://www.proscend.com/en-gb/product/sfp/180cr.html looks interesting for linking buildings that have old CAT3 cabling in between. I reckon I could have used that sort of thing in a few places instead of wireless. Has anyone tried these sort of VDSL2 bridges?
On 26 July 2017 at 10:20, Philip Loenneker <Philip.Loenneker@tasmanet. com.au
wrote:
If anyone would care to donate a unit, I have a service I can test it on. And as an RSP, we have direct access to the NBN portal to request reactivation if it gets blocked :)
-----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) Sent: Wednesday, 26 July 2017 10:17 AM To: MikroTik Australia Public List <public@talk.mikrotik.com.au> Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] xDSL SFPs
I think we're all pretty excited about the prospects of those VDSL2 and G.Fast SFP modules (I am getting FTTC so G.Fast is probably on the cards one day). I guess you can be the guinea pig and be the one to risk explaining to your ISP why your port should be unlocked. ;)
On 26 July 2017 at 10:09, Damien Gardner Jnr <rendrag@rendrag.net> wrote:
If you plug in a modem which does not support G.vector, the port will get shut down within ~10 minutes, and requires a support request from your RSP to NBNco to have the port re-enabled. They don't specifically detect modem model and shut down if they don't know the model though, as far as I know.
IPOE on ADSL is an interesting one, that'd make setup very easy!
On 26 July 2017 at 10:05, Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) < jason@upandrunningtech.com.au> wrote:
Be careful, I remember reading that modems not tested and authorised for NBN use can cause the port to be locked. Until someone goes to the expense of having them tested and approved for use in Australia (cough .. Mike?) you may not get much joy. They might work on a bog standard ADSL line.
Speaking of which, I might be late to the party but I noticed that Telstra ADSL now supports IPoE as well as PPPoE/A. I reset an old cheapie/dodgy TPLink modem the other day for someone and without doing anything the PC connected did a DHCP request and got a public IP/DNS! When I set the modem up to do IPoE it picked all that up as well but for some reason wouldn't NAT or proxy the DNS. Wrote the modem off and we proceeded to order an NBN service.
On 26 July 2017 at 09:57, Damien Gardner Jnr <rendrag@rendrag.net> wrote:
> Anyone else ordered one of the 180-T's yet? innet24.de are > now selling > them, but are waiting on a firmware update (due out next > week) before they're shipping more units. Looking forward to > getting one and seeing how > they go on NBN, if I can remove one device from the network > at home, I'll > be very happy! > > On 19 May 2017 at 08:08, Thomas Jackson > <thomas@thomax.com.au> wrote: > > > Thanks for the responses everyone > > > > Looks like we're using the double-sided tape again this > > time around :) > > > > > > > > Sent from mobile > > > > Thomas Jackson > > Managing Director > > +61 2 8378 5555 > > > > > On 18 May 2017, at 12:54 pm, Mike Everest > > > <mike@duxtel.com> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > > > I thought I'd chip in some commentary here since there is obviously > > plenty > > > of interest :-} > > > > > > There are at least two products around that implement > > > some form of vDSL > > in > > > an SFP module, but there are lots of hurdles preventing > > > release to AU > > market > > > which are partly commercial (vendor requests significant > > > - circi > USD100K > > - > > > commitment prior to even proving viable operation on any > > > given network) > > and > > > partly technical (vDSL definition is somewhat 'loose' in implementation > > such > > > that there is no guarantee that something that works well > > > with one > vendor > > > DSLAM will also work with every other) > > > > > > At DuxTel, we've been trying to work out a solution for > > > many months, > and > > > although we are closing on a potential outcome, there is > > > no firm date > for > > > market readiness. > > > > > > One thing that we know of thus far: > > > - devices are real, and actually exist ;) > > > - devices work with MikroTik RouterOS to the extent that > > > they are > > recognised > > > by SFP drivers and 'inserted module' parameters are > > > reported correctly > > > - MikroTik are 'on board' to develop further support to > > > implement some > > form > > > of configuration interface for routerOS and this type of > > > device > > > > > > Here is what we don't have yet: > > > - commercial agreement with manufacturing vendor/s to > > > support > > development of > > > solution to work with any given vDSL service (read: NBN) > > > - compliance testing documentation to support RCM > > > eligbility for AU > > > environment > > > > > > What needs to happen before they are made available to > > > the AU market: > > > - compliance testing and certification > > > - testing (and probably some driver/firmware development) > > > to work with > > NBNCo > > > DSLAMs and other DSLAM vendors > > > > > > The big hurdle to the above is in coming to some > > > commercial agreement > > with > > > one or more vendors that satisfies their need to cover > > > costs of final > > stages > > > of development and compliance testing. > > > > > > My assessment of where this is all at is that the > > > manufacturer/s have > > > developed some 'proof of concept' hardware that seems to implement a > > general > > > form of vDSL (with ADSL fallback) BUT (and that's a big > > > BUT) there is a > > lot > > > of technical work to be done to deliver sufficient > > > confidence that they > > will > > > work reliably over any particular or general vDSL network. > > > That is not > > even > > > beginning to consider whether they are likely to meet any particular > > > regulatory compliance requirements for AU or any other jurisdiction ;) > > > > > > So short story is: they are coming, perhaps, but probably > > > not any time > > soon > > > :-J > > > > > > Questions (on or off list) are welcome! > > > > > > Cheers, Mike. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Public mailing list > > > Public@talk.mikrotik.com.au > > > http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk. > mikrotik.com.au > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Public mailing list > > Public@talk.mikrotik.com.au > > http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk.mi > > k rotik.com.au > > > > > > -- > > Damien Gardner Jnr > VK2TDG. Dip EE. GradIEAust > rendrag@rendrag.net - http://www.rendrag.net/ > -- > We rode on the winds of the rising storm, We ran to the > sounds of thunder. > We danced among the lightning bolts, and tore the world > asunder _______________________________________________ > Public mailing list > Public@talk.mikrotik.com.au > http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk.mik rotik.com.au >
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