26 Jul
2017
26 Jul
'17
10:36 a.m.
That said, the http://www.proscend.com/en-gb/product/sfp/180cr.html looks interesting for linking buildings that have old CAT3 cabling in between. I reckon I could have used that sort of thing in a few places instead of wireless. Has anyone tried these sort of VDSL2 bridges? On 26 July 2017 at 10:20, Philip Loenneker <Philip.Loenneker@tasmanet.com.au > wrote: > If anyone would care to donate a unit, I have a service I can test it on. > And as an RSP, we have direct access to the NBN portal to request > reactivation if it gets blocked :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of > Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) > Sent: Wednesday, 26 July 2017 10:17 AM > To: MikroTik Australia Public List <public@talk.mikrotik.com.au> > Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] xDSL SFPs > > I think we're all pretty excited about the prospects of those VDSL2 and > G.Fast SFP modules (I am getting FTTC so G.Fast is probably on the cards > one day). I guess you can be the guinea pig and be the one to risk > explaining to your ISP why your port should be unlocked. ;) > > On 26 July 2017 at 10:09, Damien Gardner Jnr <rendrag@rendrag.net> wrote: > > > If you plug in a modem which does not support G.vector, the port will get > > shut down within ~10 minutes, and requires a support request from your > RSP > > to NBNco to have the port re-enabled. They don't specifically detect > modem > > model and shut down if they don't know the model though, as far as I > know. > > > > IPOE on ADSL is an interesting one, that'd make setup very easy! > > > > On 26 July 2017 at 10:05, Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) < > > jason@upandrunningtech.com.au> wrote: > > > >> Be careful, I remember reading that modems not tested and authorised for > >> NBN use can cause the port to be locked. Until someone goes to the > >> expense > >> of having them tested and approved for use in Australia (cough .. Mike?) > >> you may not get much joy. They might work on a bog standard ADSL line. > >> > >> Speaking of which, I might be late to the party but I noticed that > Telstra > >> ADSL now supports IPoE as well as PPPoE/A. I reset an old cheapie/dodgy > >> TPLink modem the other day for someone and without doing anything the PC > >> connected did a DHCP request and got a public IP/DNS! When I set the > >> modem > >> up to do IPoE it picked all that up as well but for some reason wouldn't > >> NAT or proxy the DNS. Wrote the modem off and we proceeded to order an > >> NBN > >> service. > >> > >> On 26 July 2017 at 09:57, Damien Gardner Jnr <rendrag@rendrag.net> > wrote: > >> > >> > Anyone else ordered one of the 180-T's yet? innet24.de are now > selling > >> > them, but are waiting on a firmware update (due out next week) before > >> > they're shipping more units. Looking forward to getting one and > seeing > >> how > >> > they go on NBN, if I can remove one device from the network at home, > >> I'll > >> > be very happy! > >> > > >> > On 19 May 2017 at 08:08, Thomas Jackson <thomas@thomax.com.au> wrote: > >> > > >> > > Thanks for the responses everyone > >> > > > >> > > Looks like we're using the double-sided tape again this time around > :) > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Sent from mobile > >> > > > >> > > Thomas Jackson > >> > > Managing Director > >> > > +61 2 8378 5555 > >> > > > >> > > > On 18 May 2017, at 12:54 pm, Mike Everest <mike@duxtel.com> > wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > Hi Everyone, > >> > > > > >> > > > I thought I'd chip in some commentary here since there is > obviously > >> > > plenty > >> > > > of interest :-} > >> > > > > >> > > > There are at least two products around that implement some form of > >> vDSL > >> > > in > >> > > > an SFP module, but there are lots of hurdles preventing release to > >> AU > >> > > market > >> > > > which are partly commercial (vendor requests significant - circi > >> > USD100K > >> > > - > >> > > > commitment prior to even proving viable operation on any given > >> network) > >> > > and > >> > > > partly technical (vDSL definition is somewhat 'loose' in > >> implementation > >> > > such > >> > > > that there is no guarantee that something that works well with one > >> > vendor > >> > > > DSLAM will also work with every other) > >> > > > > >> > > > At DuxTel, we've been trying to work out a solution for many > months, > >> > and > >> > > > although we are closing on a potential outcome, there is no firm > >> date > >> > for > >> > > > market readiness. > >> > > > > >> > > > One thing that we know of thus far: > >> > > > - devices are real, and actually exist ;) > >> > > > - devices work with MikroTik RouterOS to the extent that they are > >> > > recognised > >> > > > by SFP drivers and 'inserted module' parameters are reported > >> correctly > >> > > > - MikroTik are 'on board' to develop further support to implement > >> some > >> > > form > >> > > > of configuration interface for routerOS and this type of device > >> > > > > >> > > > Here is what we don't have yet: > >> > > > - commercial agreement with manufacturing vendor/s to support > >> > > development of > >> > > > solution to work with any given vDSL service (read: NBN) > >> > > > - compliance testing documentation to support RCM eligbility for > AU > >> > > > environment > >> > > > > >> > > > What needs to happen before they are made available to the AU > >> market: > >> > > > - compliance testing and certification > >> > > > - testing (and probably some driver/firmware development) to work > >> with > >> > > NBNCo > >> > > > DSLAMs and other DSLAM vendors > >> > > > > >> > > > The big hurdle to the above is in coming to some commercial > >> agreement > >> > > with > >> > > > one or more vendors that satisfies their need to cover costs of > >> final > >> > > stages > >> > > > of development and compliance testing. > >> > > > > >> > > > My assessment of where this is all at is that the manufacturer/s > >> have > >> > > > developed some 'proof of concept' hardware that seems to > implement a > >> > > general > >> > > > form of vDSL (with ADSL fallback) BUT (and that's a big BUT) there > >> is a > >> > > lot > >> > > > of technical work to be done to deliver sufficient confidence that > >> they > >> > > will > >> > > > work reliably over any particular or general vDSL network. That > is > >> not > >> > > even > >> > > > beginning to consider whether they are likely to meet any > particular > >> > > > regulatory compliance requirements for AU or any other > jurisdiction > >> ;) > >> > > > > >> > > > So short story is: they are coming, perhaps, but probably not any > >> time > >> > > soon > >> > > > :-J > >> > > > > >> > > > Questions (on or off list) are welcome! > >> > > > > >> > > > Cheers, Mike. > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > > Public mailing list > >> > > > Public@talk.mikrotik.com.au > >> > > > http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk. > >> > mikrotik.com.au > >> > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > Public mailing list > >> > > Public@talk.mikrotik.com.au > >> > > http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk.mik > >> rotik.com.au > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > > >> > Damien Gardner Jnr > >> > VK2TDG. Dip EE. 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