Ben, My 2cents for what it is worth, keep all cat 6/6a cabling including patch and fly leads to a 100mtr maximum. Cross talk, near end and far end cause retransmission of data slowing down. Over 100mtrs use fibre less hassle. Regards, Kevin Scott Scotts IP www.scottsip.com.au On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 5:31 PM +1000, <public-request@talk.mikrotik.com.au> wrote: Send Public mailing list submissions to public@talk.mikrotik.com.au To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk.mikrotik.com.au or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to public-request@talk.mikrotik.com.au You can reach the person managing the list at public-owner@talk.mikrotik.com.au When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Public digest..." Today's Topics: 1. 10GBase-T SAN (Ben Jackson) 2. Re: 10GBase-T SAN (Alex Samad - Yieldbroker) 3. Re: 10GBase-T SAN (Paul Julian) 4. Re: 10GBase-T SAN (Murray Southwell) 5. Re: 10GBase-T SAN (Ben Jackson) 6. Re: 10GBase-T SAN (Ben Jackson) 7. Re: 10GBase-T SAN (Alex Samad - Yieldbroker) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 16:34:47 +1000 From: Ben Jackson To: MikroTik Australia Public List Subject: [MT-AU Public] 10GBase-T SAN Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi all, I'm looking at implementing a iSCSI SAN / NAS hybrid solution for one of my clients who runs a production studio (24bit multi-track audio and up to 4k video collaboration). I haven't, however had any experience with installing 10Gbe networks as yet, and know very little about them apart from that cat6a is required to go over 100m and that latency is higher with copper vs SFP+. My initial reaction was to go with 10GBase-T as it's a familiar format to me (especially where running cable is concerned) but I'm happy to be convinced on the merits of running fibre. Does anyone have any experiences they can share on this topic? Thanks, Ben Jackson eLogik m:0404 924745 e: ben@elogik.net w: www.elogik.com.au [image: http://www.elogik.com.au] ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 06:40:13 +0000 From: Alex Samad - Yieldbroker To: MikroTik Australia Public List Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] 10GBase-T SAN Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sounds interesting. Q) you doing 10G from workstation to datacentre ? or just the cluster of servers in the DC. I personally like SFP+ modules- you can choice between fibre or ... if I can't use SMOF, or if it's in the same rack, I go with DAC cables. They have the SFP and cable pre attached .. you can be a bit more rough with them compare to fibre. It sounds like a rack with servers, storage and switching. So Office -> rack area ??? not sure depends on run Server -> switch ... DAC Switch -> storage .. DAC Alex -----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Ben Jackson Sent: Monday, 8 August 2016 4:35 PM To: MikroTik Australia Public List Subject: [MT-AU Public] 10GBase-T SAN Hi all, I'm looking at implementing a iSCSI SAN / NAS hybrid solution for one of my clients who runs a production studio (24bit multi-track audio and up to 4k video collaboration). I haven't, however had any experience with installing 10Gbe networks as yet, and know very little about them apart from that cat6a is required to go over 100m and that latency is higher with copper vs SFP+. My initial reaction was to go with 10GBase-T as it's a familiar format to me (especially where running cable is concerned) but I'm happy to be convinced on the merits of running fibre. Does anyone have any experiences they can share on this topic? Thanks, Ben Jackson eLogik m:0404 924745 e: ben@elogik.net w: www.elogik.com.au [image: http://www.elogik.com.au] _______________________________________________ Public mailing list Public@talk.mikrotik.com.au http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk.mikrotik.com.au ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 16:41:19 +1000 From: Paul Julian To: 'MikroTik Australia Public List' Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] 10GBase-T SAN Message-ID: <3e81b614-4762-46ea-93f0-5d7d7ae8ab19@oxygennetworks.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Ben, I would always use fibre for anything more than a couple of metres on 10G, even for that I would use fibre. With the array of pre-terminated fibre cabling out now it's just as easy to run fibre as it is to run copper virtually, yes it costs a bit more but you can upgrade in the future with no cabling changes needed, it's a no brainer for us in such situations. Regards Paul -----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Ben Jackson Sent: Monday, 8 August 2016 4:35 PM To: MikroTik Australia Public List Subject: [MT-AU Public] 10GBase-T SAN Hi all, I'm looking at implementing a iSCSI SAN / NAS hybrid solution for one of my clients who runs a production studio (24bit multi-track audio and up to 4k video collaboration). I haven't, however had any experience with installing 10Gbe networks as yet, and know very little about them apart from that cat6a is required to go over 100m and that latency is higher with copper vs SFP+. My initial reaction was to go with 10GBase-T as it's a familiar format to me (especially where running cable is concerned) but I'm happy to be convinced on the merits of running fibre. Does anyone have any experiences they can share on this topic? Thanks, Ben Jackson eLogik m:0404 924745 e: ben@elogik.net w: www.elogik.com.au [image: http://www.elogik.com.au] _______________________________________________ Public mailing list Public@talk.mikrotik.com.au http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk.mikrotik.com.au ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 06:52:23 +0000 From: Murray Southwell To: MikroTik Australia Public List Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] 10GBase-T SAN Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Ben, I would recommend DAC for inside your rack, and fibre for anything that leaves your rack at 10G. If you are looking to get faster than 1G to the desktop machines via an RJ45 copper connection, you can go faster than 1G without jumping all the way to 10G. If you have legacy CAT5e already installed 2.5G capable switches and NIC's should get you a significant speed boost between desktop and switch. Kind regards Murray Southwell -----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Ben Jackson Sent: Monday, 8 August 2016 4:35 PM To: MikroTik Australia Public List Subject: [MT-AU Public] 10GBase-T SAN Hi all, I'm looking at implementing a iSCSI SAN / NAS hybrid solution for one of my clients who runs a production studio (24bit multi-track audio and up to 4k video collaboration). I haven't, however had any experience with installing 10Gbe networks as yet, and know very little about them apart from that cat6a is required to go over 100m and that latency is higher with copper vs SFP+. My initial reaction was to go with 10GBase-T as it's a familiar format to me (especially where running cable is concerned) but I'm happy to be convinced on the merits of running fibre. Does anyone have any experiences they can share on this topic? Thanks, Ben Jackson eLogik m:0404 924745 e: ben@elogik.net w: www.elogik.com.au [image: http://www.elogik.com.au] _______________________________________________ Public mailing list Public@talk.mikrotik.com.au http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk.mikrotik.com.au ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 17:19:49 +1000 From: Ben Jackson To: MikroTik Australia Public List Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] 10GBase-T SAN Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi Alex, Yep it would need to be 10g from end to end as the individual iMacs will need to reap the benefit of the extra bandwidth. I.e they will be the ones streaming large files from the SAN. My thoughts were to install thunderbolt 10gbe adaptors on each iMac to allow this. The advantage being that only one connection per mac would be needed as opposed to a fibre san which would need a separate fibre connection for each client? Or maybe I'm thinking about this the wrong way? Ben On 8 Aug 2016 16:41, "Alex Samad - Yieldbroker" wrote:

Sounds interesting.

Q) you doing 10G from workstation to datacentre ? or just the cluster of servers in the DC.

I personally like SFP+ modules- you can choice between fibre or ... if I can't use SMOF, or if it's in the same rack, I go with DAC cables. They have the SFP and cable pre attached .. you can be a bit more rough with them compare to fibre.

It sounds like a rack with servers, storage and switching.

So Office -> rack area ??? not sure depends on run

Server -> switch ... DAC Switch -> storage .. DAC

Alex

-----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Ben Jackson Sent: Monday, 8 August 2016 4:35 PM To: MikroTik Australia Public List Subject: [MT-AU Public] 10GBase-T SAN

Hi all,

I'm looking at implementing a iSCSI SAN / NAS hybrid solution for one of my clients who runs a production studio (24bit multi-track audio and up to 4k video collaboration).

I haven't, however had any experience with installing 10Gbe networks as yet, and know very little about them apart from that cat6a is required to go over 100m and that latency is higher with copper vs SFP+.

My initial reaction was to go with 10GBase-T as it's a familiar format to me (especially where running cable is concerned) but I'm happy to be convinced on the merits of running fibre.

Does anyone have any experiences they can share on this topic?

Thanks,

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------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 17:25:22 +1000 From: Ben Jackson To: MikroTik Australia Public List Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] 10GBase-T SAN Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Thanks Paul. Do I need to go out and do a fibre installation course or could I just go ahead and do it with my current cabling knowledge? The premises is an old double brick building. What sorts of things do I need to be aware of when running fibre vs cat6? Ben On 8 Aug 2016 16:41, "Paul Julian" wrote:

Hi Ben, I would always use fibre for anything more than a couple of metres on 10G, even for that I would use fibre.

With the array of pre-terminated fibre cabling out now it's just as easy to run fibre as it is to run copper virtually, yes it costs a bit more but you can upgrade in the future with no cabling changes needed, it's a no brainer for us in such situations.

Regards Paul

-----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Ben Jackson Sent: Monday, 8 August 2016 4:35 PM To: MikroTik Australia Public List Subject: [MT-AU Public] 10GBase-T SAN

Hi all,

I'm looking at implementing a iSCSI SAN / NAS hybrid solution for one of my clients who runs a production studio (24bit multi-track audio and up to 4k video collaboration).

I haven't, however had any experience with installing 10Gbe networks as yet, and know very little about them apart from that cat6a is required to go over 100m and that latency is higher with copper vs SFP+.

My initial reaction was to go with 10GBase-T as it's a familiar format to me (especially where running cable is concerned) but I'm happy to be convinced on the merits of running fibre.

Does anyone have any experiences they can share on this topic?

Thanks,

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------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 07:30:17 +0000 From: Alex Samad - Yieldbroker To: MikroTik Australia Public List Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] 10GBase-T SAN Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hmm okay. So you have a bunch of Mac's that want fast file access. You are going to connect via iSCSI or nfs ? Sounds like you are in a building. So I still think 10G switch SAN storage attaches to it ( DAC cable(s) ) MAC to switch ... just like cat cabling, but run fibre... ??? but do the mac 10G adaptors do fibre ??? they might only be 10Gb-T. If so find a switch that has 10GBT and SFP+ (probably the SFP+ will be for stacking but use it to connect the NAS/SAN device). Then run fibre (or cat 6??) to the dekstops. Alex -----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Ben Jackson Sent: Monday, 8 August 2016 5:20 PM To: MikroTik Australia Public List Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] 10GBase-T SAN Hi Alex, Yep it would need to be 10g from end to end as the individual iMacs will need to reap the benefit of the extra bandwidth. I.e they will be the ones streaming large files from the SAN. My thoughts were to install thunderbolt 10gbe adaptors on each iMac to allow this. The advantage being that only one connection per mac would be needed as opposed to a fibre san which would need a separate fibre connection for each client? Or maybe I'm thinking about this the wrong way? Ben On 8 Aug 2016 16:41, "Alex Samad - Yieldbroker" wrote:

Sounds interesting.

Q) you doing 10G from workstation to datacentre ? or just the cluster of servers in the DC.

I personally like SFP+ modules- you can choice between fibre or ... if I can't use SMOF, or if it's in the same rack, I go with DAC cables. They have the SFP and cable pre attached .. you can be a bit more rough with them compare to fibre.

It sounds like a rack with servers, storage and switching.

So Office -> rack area ??? not sure depends on run

Server -> switch ... DAC Switch -> storage .. DAC

Alex

-----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Ben Jackson Sent: Monday, 8 August 2016 4:35 PM To: MikroTik Australia Public List Subject: [MT-AU Public] 10GBase-T SAN

Hi all,

I'm looking at implementing a iSCSI SAN / NAS hybrid solution for one of my clients who runs a production studio (24bit multi-track audio and up to 4k video collaboration).

I haven't, however had any experience with installing 10Gbe networks as yet, and know very little about them apart from that cat6a is required to go over 100m and that latency is higher with copper vs SFP+.

My initial reaction was to go with 10GBase-T as it's a familiar format to me (especially where running cable is concerned) but I'm happy to be convinced on the merits of running fibre.

Does anyone have any experiences they can share on this topic?

Thanks,

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