rOS v7 suitability for production use
G'day, I need to get a partial internal network rebuild done, and it seems like a good time to bump the routers up from v6 to v7. Are there any considerations any longer with doing this for production routers? Is BGP now allowed to use multiple cores? The safe option seems to be v6 latest, however it's a good opportunity to make the move up to v7 now that it's matured. :-) Looking forward to hearing your musings, thoughts, experiences and beyond. Cheers, Luke Thompson, CTO The Network Crew P/L E: luke.t@tnc.works https://tnc.works
Hi Luke! It will depend a lot on exactly what applications you have in mind - there are still some bugs that pop up from time to time but mostly they are quite specific to particular configurations. For the large majority of applications, LAN gateways and datacentre edges, we rarely get any bug feedback lately (and then those that we do receive are often not real 'bugs' as such ; ) I expect that there will be some others here will have some helpful 'watch out for' comments - those folks will give you the most helpful advice I think : ) Cheers! Mike. -----Original Message----- From: Public <public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au> On Behalf Of Luke Thompson via Public Sent: Monday, 16 September 2024 1:34 PM To: public@talk.mikrotik.com.au Cc: Luke Thompson <luke.t@tnc.works> Subject: [MT-AU Public] rOS v7 suitability for production use G'day, I need to get a partial internal network rebuild done, and it seems like a good time to bump the routers up from v6 to v7. Are there any considerations any longer with doing this for production routers? Is BGP now allowed to use multiple cores? The safe option seems to be v6 latest, however it's a good opportunity to make the move up to v7 now that it's matured. :-) Looking forward to hearing your musings, thoughts, experiences and beyond. Cheers, Luke Thompson, CTO The Network Crew P/L E: luke.t@tnc.works https://tnc.works _______________________________________________ Public mailing list Public@talk.mikrotik.com.au http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk.mikrotik.com.au
Hi Luke, How many routes in total across all sessions do you currently see? BGP is still not multi-threaded (*sigh*) however using affinities it's supposed to be able to assign different sessions to different cores. Each session can only use one core. I've seen tables take upwards of 15-30 mins to converge 1 full table plus IX route server routes (about 150k routes) on a CCR2004. YMMV. Regards, Christopher Hawker Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg> ________________________________ From: Public <public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au> on behalf of Luke Thompson via Public <public@talk.mikrotik.com.au> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2024 1:33:47 PM To: public@talk.mikrotik.com.au <public@talk.mikrotik.com.au> Cc: Luke Thompson <luke.t@tnc.works> Subject: [MT-AU Public] rOS v7 suitability for production use G'day, I need to get a partial internal network rebuild done, and it seems like a good time to bump the routers up from v6 to v7. Are there any considerations any longer with doing this for production routers? Is BGP now allowed to use multiple cores? The safe option seems to be v6 latest, however it's a good opportunity to make the move up to v7 now that it's matured. :-) Looking forward to hearing your musings, thoughts, experiences and beyond. Cheers, Luke Thompson, CTO The Network Crew P/L E: luke.t@tnc.works https://tnc.works _______________________________________________ Public mailing list Public@talk.mikrotik.com.au http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk.mikrotik.com.au
Hi Luke, Fashionably late to the party... For mine, rOSv7 is a no brainer, an issue this morning reminded me that due to us having a 32bit ASN large community support was a show stopper on v6. We are late entrants to the 'tik family with arm64 routers so our initial experience was months of instability on v6 and v7 not quite ready for production at the time, therefore my opinion of v6 may be a little biased, however, without hesitation, v7 is now more stable and has more features and is being rapidly iterated on. BGP performance for us is way superior, whilst not quite true multithreading you can allocate a 'process' per input and output session, so we end up with 4 'processes' per peer and have no performance issues querying the table and converging. I'll qualify all the above by reiterating that these are arm64 based routers, tile based routers have varying reports of success and as always YMMV. Regards, Dirk Bermingham -----Original Message----- From: Public <public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au> On Behalf Of Luke Thompson via Public Sent: Monday, September 16, 2024 1:34 PM To: public@talk.mikrotik.com.au Cc: Luke Thompson <luke.t@tnc.works> Subject: [MT-AU Public] rOS v7 suitability for production use G'day, I need to get a partial internal network rebuild done, and it seems like a good time to bump the routers up from v6 to v7. Are there any considerations any longer with doing this for production routers? Is BGP now allowed to use multiple cores? The safe option seems to be v6 latest, however it's a good opportunity to make the move up to v7 now that it's matured. :-) Looking forward to hearing your musings, thoughts, experiences and beyond. Cheers, Luke Thompson, CTO The Network Crew P/L E: luke.t@tnc.works https://tnc.works _______________________________________________ Public mailing list Public@talk.mikrotik.com.au http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk.mikrotik.com.au
Many thanks all for the feedback. :-) Hard to believe how long ago v7 was released. Our routers are tilera so a tad concerned! Is there much to be worried about in reality? We're running on dual CCR1072 routers. It feels like a case where once the major upgrades are done, we'll be glad to be on 7. Cheers, Luke Thompson, CTO The Network Crew P/L E: luke.t@tnc.works https://tnc.works On 18 September 2024 9:35:21 am TFM Cloud - Dirk Bermingham <dirk@tfmcloud.au> wrote:
Hi Luke,
Fashionably late to the party...
For mine, rOSv7 is a no brainer, an issue this morning reminded me that due to us having a 32bit ASN large community support was a show stopper on v6.
We are late entrants to the 'tik family with arm64 routers so our initial experience was months of instability on v6 and v7 not quite ready for production at the time, therefore my opinion of v6 may be a little biased, however, without hesitation, v7 is now more stable and has more features and is being rapidly iterated on.
BGP performance for us is way superior, whilst not quite true multithreading you can allocate a 'process' per input and output session, so we end up with 4 'processes' per peer and have no performance issues querying the table and converging.
I'll qualify all the above by reiterating that these are arm64 based routers, tile based routers have varying reports of success and as always YMMV.
Regards,
Dirk Bermingham
-----Original Message----- From: Public <public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au> On Behalf Of Luke Thompson via Public Sent: Monday, September 16, 2024 1:34 PM To: public@talk.mikrotik.com.au Cc: Luke Thompson <luke.t@tnc.works> Subject: [MT-AU Public] rOS v7 suitability for production use
G'day,
I need to get a partial internal network rebuild done, and it seems like a good time to bump the routers up from v6 to v7.
Are there any considerations any longer with doing this for production routers? Is BGP now allowed to use multiple cores?
The safe option seems to be v6 latest, however it's a good opportunity to make the move up to v7 now that it's matured. :-)
Looking forward to hearing your musings, thoughts, experiences and beyond.
Cheers,
Luke Thompson, CTO The Network Crew P/L
E: luke.t@tnc.works https://tnc.works
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It's probably worth noting that Tilera CPU support was dropped from the mainline Linux kernel over 6 years ago: https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?i.... I know that RouterOS uses a custom kernel with many out-of-tree modules, but the removal of support for a device's CPU architecture from mainline would make me nervous enough to plan for getting it out of production. Some food for thought... On Wed, 18 Sept 2024 at 09:39, Luke Thompson via Public < public@talk.mikrotik.com.au> wrote:
Many thanks all for the feedback. :-) Hard to believe how long ago v7 was released.
Our routers are tilera so a tad concerned! Is there much to be worried about in reality? We're running on dual CCR1072 routers.
It feels like a case where once the major upgrades are done, we'll be glad to be on 7.
Cheers,
Luke Thompson, CTO The Network Crew P/L
E: luke.t@tnc.works https://tnc.works On 18 September 2024 9:35:21 am TFM Cloud - Dirk Bermingham <dirk@tfmcloud.au> wrote:
Hi Luke,
Fashionably late to the party...
For mine, rOSv7 is a no brainer, an issue this morning reminded me that due to us having a 32bit ASN large community support was a show stopper on v6.
We are late entrants to the 'tik family with arm64 routers so our initial experience was months of instability on v6 and v7 not quite ready for production at the time, therefore my opinion of v6 may be a little biased, however, without hesitation, v7 is now more stable and has more features and is being rapidly iterated on.
BGP performance for us is way superior, whilst not quite true multithreading you can allocate a 'process' per input and output session, so we end up with 4 'processes' per peer and have no performance issues querying the table and converging.
I'll qualify all the above by reiterating that these are arm64 based routers, tile based routers have varying reports of success and as always YMMV.
Regards,
Dirk Bermingham
-----Original Message----- From: Public <public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au> On Behalf Of Luke Thompson via Public Sent: Monday, September 16, 2024 1:34 PM To: public@talk.mikrotik.com.au Cc: Luke Thompson <luke.t@tnc.works> Subject: [MT-AU Public] rOS v7 suitability for production use
G'day,
I need to get a partial internal network rebuild done, and it seems like a good time to bump the routers up from v6 to v7.
Are there any considerations any longer with doing this for production routers? Is BGP now allowed to use multiple cores?
The safe option seems to be v6 latest, however it's a good opportunity to make the move up to v7 now that it's matured. :-)
Looking forward to hearing your musings, thoughts, experiences and beyond.
Cheers,
Luke Thompson, CTO The Network Crew P/L
E: luke.t@tnc.works https://tnc.works
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Hi again folks, Just checking into MLAG on routerOS v6. It seems like it was introduced in v7, so we'd have to do the major upgrade firstly to be able to deploy MLAG? Many thanks, Luke Thompson, CTO The Network Crew P/L E: luke.t@tnc.works https://tnc.works On 18/9/2024 9:38 am, Luke Thompson via Public wrote:
Many thanks all for the feedback. :-) Hard to believe how long ago v7 was released.
Our routers are tilera so a tad concerned! Is there much to be worried about in reality? We're running on dual CCR1072 routers.
It feels like a case where once the major upgrades are done, we'll be glad to be on 7.
Cheers,
Luke Thompson, CTO The Network Crew P/L
E: luke.t@tnc.works https://tnc.works On 18 September 2024 9:35:21 am TFM Cloud - Dirk Bermingham <dirk@tfmcloud.au> wrote:
Hi Luke,
Fashionably late to the party...
For mine, rOSv7 is a no brainer, an issue this morning reminded me that due to us having a 32bit ASN large community support was a show stopper on v6.
We are late entrants to the 'tik family with arm64 routers so our initial experience was months of instability on v6 and v7 not quite ready for production at the time, therefore my opinion of v6 may be a little biased, however, without hesitation, v7 is now more stable and has more features and is being rapidly iterated on.
BGP performance for us is way superior, whilst not quite true multithreading you can allocate a 'process' per input and output session, so we end up with 4 'processes' per peer and have no performance issues querying the table and converging.
I'll qualify all the above by reiterating that these are arm64 based routers, tile based routers have varying reports of success and as always YMMV.
Regards,
Dirk Bermingham
-----Original Message----- From: Public <public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au> On Behalf Of Luke Thompson via Public Sent: Monday, September 16, 2024 1:34 PM To: public@talk.mikrotik.com.au Cc: Luke Thompson <luke.t@tnc.works> Subject: [MT-AU Public] rOS v7 suitability for production use
G'day,
I need to get a partial internal network rebuild done, and it seems like a good time to bump the routers up from v6 to v7.
Are there any considerations any longer with doing this for production routers? Is BGP now allowed to use multiple cores?
The safe option seems to be v6 latest, however it's a good opportunity to make the move up to v7 now that it's matured. :-)
Looking forward to hearing your musings, thoughts, experiences and beyond.
Cheers,
Luke Thompson, CTO The Network Crew P/L
E: luke.t@tnc.works https://tnc.works
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G'day! You are correct: MLAG is not available in ROuterOSv6 :-} Cheers! -----Original Message----- From: Public <public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au> On Behalf Of Luke Thompson via Public Sent: Thursday, 26 September 2024 10:53 AM To: MikroTik Australia Public List <public@talk.mikrotik.com.au> Cc: Luke Thompson <luke.t@tnc.works> Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] rOS v7 suitability for production use Hi again folks, Just checking into MLAG on routerOS v6. It seems like it was introduced in v7, so we'd have to do the major upgrade firstly to be able to deploy MLAG? Many thanks, Luke Thompson, CTO The Network Crew P/L E: luke.t@tnc.works https://tnc.works On 18/9/2024 9:38 am, Luke Thompson via Public wrote:
Many thanks all for the feedback. :-) Hard to believe how long ago v7 was released.
Our routers are tilera so a tad concerned! Is there much to be worried about in reality? We're running on dual CCR1072 routers.
It feels like a case where once the major upgrades are done, we'll be glad to be on 7.
Cheers,
Luke Thompson, CTO The Network Crew P/L
E: luke.t@tnc.works https://tnc.works On 18 September 2024 9:35:21 am TFM Cloud - Dirk Bermingham <dirk@tfmcloud.au> wrote:
Hi Luke,
Fashionably late to the party...
For mine, rOSv7 is a no brainer, an issue this morning reminded me that due to us having a 32bit ASN large community support was a show stopper on v6.
We are late entrants to the 'tik family with arm64 routers so our initial experience was months of instability on v6 and v7 not quite ready for production at the time, therefore my opinion of v6 may be a little biased, however, without hesitation, v7 is now more stable and has more features and is being rapidly iterated on.
BGP performance for us is way superior, whilst not quite true multithreading you can allocate a 'process' per input and output session, so we end up with 4 'processes' per peer and have no performance issues querying the table and converging.
I'll qualify all the above by reiterating that these are arm64 based routers, tile based routers have varying reports of success and as always YMMV.
Regards,
Dirk Bermingham
-----Original Message----- From: Public <public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au> On Behalf Of Luke Thompson via Public Sent: Monday, September 16, 2024 1:34 PM To: public@talk.mikrotik.com.au Cc: Luke Thompson <luke.t@tnc.works> Subject: [MT-AU Public] rOS v7 suitability for production use
G'day,
I need to get a partial internal network rebuild done, and it seems like a good time to bump the routers up from v6 to v7.
Are there any considerations any longer with doing this for production routers? Is BGP now allowed to use multiple cores?
The safe option seems to be v6 latest, however it's a good opportunity to make the move up to v7 now that it's matured. :-)
Looking forward to hearing your musings, thoughts, experiences and beyond.
Cheers,
Luke Thompson, CTO The Network Crew P/L
E: luke.t@tnc.works https://tnc.works
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Thanks for that Mike. It looks like it's a no-go for CCR1072 (Tile), so will likely go VRRP for routers-to-switches leg, then MLAGs down to the hypervisors. It'll involve static routing for the VR IP inside each guest. Do you have any recommendations on the best way forward? /CCR1072 *2 >> Dell S4048-ON *2 >> Linux hypervisors *many, in terms of stack!/ Cheers, Luke Thompson, CTO The Network Crew P/L E: luke.t@tnc.works https://tnc.works On 26/9/2024 1:26 pm, Mike Everest via Public wrote:
G'day!
You are correct: MLAG is not available in ROuterOSv6 :-}
Cheers!
-----Original Message----- From: Public<public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au> On Behalf Of Luke Thompson via Public Sent: Thursday, 26 September 2024 10:53 AM To: MikroTik Australia Public List<public@talk.mikrotik.com.au> Cc: Luke Thompson<luke.t@tnc.works> Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] rOS v7 suitability for production use
Hi again folks,
Just checking into MLAG on routerOS v6.
It seems like it was introduced in v7, so we'd have to do the major upgrade firstly to be able to deploy MLAG?
Many thanks,
Luke Thompson, CTO The Network Crew P/L
E:luke.t@tnc.works https://tnc.works
On 18/9/2024 9:38 am, Luke Thompson via Public wrote:
Many thanks all for the feedback. :-) Hard to believe how long ago v7 was released.
Our routers are tilera so a tad concerned! Is there much to be worried about in reality? We're running on dual CCR1072 routers.
It feels like a case where once the major upgrades are done, we'll be glad to be on 7.
Cheers,
Luke Thompson, CTO The Network Crew P/L
E:luke.t@tnc.works https://tnc.works On 18 September 2024 9:35:21 am TFM Cloud - Dirk Bermingham <dirk@tfmcloud.au> wrote:
Hi Luke,
Fashionably late to the party...
For mine, rOSv7 is a no brainer, an issue this morning reminded me that due to us having a 32bit ASN large community support was a show stopper on v6.
We are late entrants to the 'tik family with arm64 routers so our initial experience was months of instability on v6 and v7 not quite ready for production at the time, therefore my opinion of v6 may be a little biased, however, without hesitation, v7 is now more stable and has more features and is being rapidly iterated on.
BGP performance for us is way superior, whilst not quite true multithreading you can allocate a 'process' per input and output session, so we end up with 4 'processes' per peer and have no performance issues querying the table and converging.
I'll qualify all the above by reiterating that these are arm64 based routers, tile based routers have varying reports of success and as always YMMV.
Regards,
Dirk Bermingham
-----Original Message----- From: Public<public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au> On Behalf Of Luke Thompson via Public Sent: Monday, September 16, 2024 1:34 PM To:public@talk.mikrotik.com.au Cc: Luke Thompson<luke.t@tnc.works> Subject: [MT-AU Public] rOS v7 suitability for production use
G'day,
I need to get a partial internal network rebuild done, and it seems like a good time to bump the routers up from v6 to v7.
Are there any considerations any longer with doing this for production routers? Is BGP now allowed to use multiple cores?
The safe option seems to be v6 latest, however it's a good opportunity to make the move up to v7 now that it's matured. :-)
Looking forward to hearing your musings, thoughts, experiences and beyond.
Cheers,
Luke Thompson, CTO The Network Crew P/L
E:luke.t@tnc.works https://tnc.works
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Hello! I actually can't picture how there would be a choice between MLAG and VRRP - they have different applications in my mind :-} You've got two switches between your 2 routers and content/application hosts? All those linux boxes are plumbed into both switches? Then VRRP is probably the right way to be sure that the default gateway is always live regardless of a hardware failure. Is that what you're after? Cheers! -----Original Message----- From: Public <public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au> On Behalf Of Luke Thompson via Public Sent: Thursday, 26 September 2024 2:01 PM To: public@talk.mikrotik.com.au Cc: Luke Thompson <luke.t@tnc.works> Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] rOS v7 suitability for production use Thanks for that Mike. It looks like it's a no-go for CCR1072 (Tile), so will likely go VRRP for routers-to-switches leg, then MLAGs down to the hypervisors. It'll involve static routing for the VR IP inside each guest. Do you have any recommendations on the best way forward? /CCR1072 *2 >> Dell S4048-ON *2 >> Linux hypervisors *many, in terms of stack!/ Cheers, Luke Thompson, CTO The Network Crew P/L E: luke.t@tnc.works https://tnc.works On 26/9/2024 1:26 pm, Mike Everest via Public wrote:
G'day!
You are correct: MLAG is not available in ROuterOSv6 :-}
Cheers!
-----Original Message----- From: Public<public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au> On Behalf Of Luke Thompson via Public Sent: Thursday, 26 September 2024 10:53 AM To: MikroTik Australia Public List<public@talk.mikrotik.com.au> Cc: Luke Thompson<luke.t@tnc.works> Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] rOS v7 suitability for production use
Hi again folks,
Just checking into MLAG on routerOS v6.
It seems like it was introduced in v7, so we'd have to do the major upgrade firstly to be able to deploy MLAG?
Many thanks,
Luke Thompson, CTO The Network Crew P/L
E:luke.t@tnc.works https://tnc.works
On 18/9/2024 9:38 am, Luke Thompson via Public wrote:
Many thanks all for the feedback. :-) Hard to believe how long ago v7 was released.
Our routers are tilera so a tad concerned! Is there much to be worried about in reality? We're running on dual CCR1072 routers.
It feels like a case where once the major upgrades are done, we'll be glad to be on 7.
Cheers,
Luke Thompson, CTO The Network Crew P/L
E:luke.t@tnc.works https://tnc.works On 18 September 2024 9:35:21 am TFM Cloud - Dirk Bermingham <dirk@tfmcloud.au> wrote:
Hi Luke,
Fashionably late to the party...
For mine, rOSv7 is a no brainer, an issue this morning reminded me that due to us having a 32bit ASN large community support was a show stopper on v6.
We are late entrants to the 'tik family with arm64 routers so our initial experience was months of instability on v6 and v7 not quite ready for production at the time, therefore my opinion of v6 may be a little biased, however, without hesitation, v7 is now more stable and has more features and is being rapidly iterated on.
BGP performance for us is way superior, whilst not quite true multithreading you can allocate a 'process' per input and output session, so we end up with 4 'processes' per peer and have no performance issues querying the table and converging.
I'll qualify all the above by reiterating that these are arm64 based routers, tile based routers have varying reports of success and as always YMMV.
Regards,
Dirk Bermingham
-----Original Message----- From: Public<public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au> On Behalf Of Luke Thompson via Public Sent: Monday, September 16, 2024 1:34 PM To:public@talk.mikrotik.com.au Cc: Luke Thompson<luke.t@tnc.works> Subject: [MT-AU Public] rOS v7 suitability for production use
G'day,
I need to get a partial internal network rebuild done, and it seems like a good time to bump the routers up from v6 to v7.
Are there any considerations any longer with doing this for production routers? Is BGP now allowed to use multiple cores?
The safe option seems to be v6 latest, however it's a good opportunity to make the move up to v7 now that it's matured. :-)
Looking forward to hearing your musings, thoughts, experiences and beyond.
Cheers,
Luke Thompson, CTO The Network Crew P/L
E:luke.t@tnc.works https://tnc.works
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Christopher Hawker
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Luke Thompson
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Matthew Kobayashi
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Mike Everest
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TFM Cloud - Dirk Bermingham