Hi All, I have a site that has just switched over to the NBN vdsl service. Optus have supplied their router, which I would like to replace with a vdsl bridge. Has anyone got any information on using the mikrotik with IPoE on the NBN, I would especially love to get a config if you have one. Cheers Stephen
I have not got it working yet, currently just using the Telstra router DMZ function instead.. I would LOVE to hear of anyone who has IPoE figured out on 'tik :) On 19 November 2015 at 19:20, Stephen Schwetz <stephen@schwetz.id.au> wrote:
Hi All,
I have a site that has just switched over to the NBN vdsl service. Optus have supplied their router, which I would like to replace with a vdsl bridge.
Has anyone got any information on using the mikrotik with IPoE on the NBN, I would especially love to get a config if you have one.
Cheers
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Isn't IPoE a Generation-Y name for DHCP? The one NBN connection I have a Mikrotik talking to is an NBN wireless box and it is just using PPPoE like bridged ADSL. On 19 November 2015 at 19:34, Damien Gardner Jnr <rendrag@rendrag.net> wrote:
I have not got it working yet, currently just using the Telstra router DMZ function instead.. I would LOVE to hear of anyone who has IPoE figured out on 'tik :)
On 19 November 2015 at 19:20, Stephen Schwetz <stephen@schwetz.id.au> wrote:
Hi All,
I have a site that has just switched over to the NBN vdsl service. Optus have supplied their router, which I would like to replace with a vdsl bridge.
Has anyone got any information on using the mikrotik with IPoE on the NBN, I would especially love to get a config if you have one.
Cheers
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That's what I'd thought, but when I put either the telstra modem, or the Draytek Vigor 130 I bought into bridge mode, my CRS109 gets no DHCP lease, so I assume there's more to it than that? On 19 November 2015 at 20:09, Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) < jason@upandrunningtech.com.au> wrote:
Isn't IPoE a Generation-Y name for DHCP? The one NBN connection I have a Mikrotik talking to is an NBN wireless box and it is just using PPPoE like bridged ADSL.
On 19 November 2015 at 19:34, Damien Gardner Jnr <rendrag@rendrag.net> wrote:
I have not got it working yet, currently just using the Telstra router DMZ function instead.. I would LOVE to hear of anyone who has IPoE figured out on 'tik :)
On 19 November 2015 at 19:20, Stephen Schwetz <stephen@schwetz.id.au> wrote:
Hi All,
I have a site that has just switched over to the NBN vdsl service. Optus have supplied their router, which I would like to replace with a vdsl bridge.
Has anyone got any information on using the mikrotik with IPoE on the NBN, I would especially love to get a config if you have one.
Cheers
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Nothing like being on the cutting edge, this stuff is that new even to optus that the install was a self install, but it came with a free technician to make sure it worked, who stated that as far as he was aware it was the first that Optus had provisioned on VDSL in Newcastle. I have done IPoE on the NBN Fibre (plug into ethernet and enable dhcp) and it is plug and play. I havent had my Vigor 130 delivered yet so I haven't been able to test this, I was hoping to be able to bridge the Optus CPE, but that is not possible, so here is my reading on IPoEoATM Set the modem to use aal5-snap (llc) and then RFC 2684 (formerly RFC 1483) Bridged mode, if my reading is right, you should then be able to set the mikrotik to have dhcp on the Ethernet interface, and it should all just work(tm) So if you get a chance I would love to see if I am right On 19 November 2015 at 20:12, Damien Gardner Jnr <rendrag@rendrag.net> wrote:
That's what I'd thought, but when I put either the telstra modem, or the Draytek Vigor 130 I bought into bridge mode, my CRS109 gets no DHCP lease, so I assume there's more to it than that?
On 19 November 2015 at 20:09, Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) < jason@upandrunningtech.com.au> wrote:
Isn't IPoE a Generation-Y name for DHCP? The one NBN connection I have a Mikrotik talking to is an NBN wireless box and it is just using PPPoE like bridged ADSL.
On 19 November 2015 at 19:34, Damien Gardner Jnr <rendrag@rendrag.net> wrote:
I have not got it working yet, currently just using the Telstra router DMZ function instead.. I would LOVE to hear of anyone who has IPoE figured out on 'tik :)
On 19 November 2015 at 19:20, Stephen Schwetz <stephen@schwetz.id.au> wrote:
Hi All,
I have a site that has just switched over to the NBN vdsl service. Optus have supplied their router, which I would like to replace with a vdsl bridge.
Has anyone got any information on using the mikrotik with IPoE on the NBN, I would especially love to get a config if you have one.
Cheers
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I forgot to mention that for those that love a read have a look at TR-101 ( https://www.broadband-forum.org/technical/download/TR-101.pdf) top of page 41 has a pretty picture On 19 November 2015 at 21:18, Stephen Schwetz <stephen@schwetz.id.au> wrote:
Nothing like being on the cutting edge, this stuff is that new even to optus that the install was a self install, but it came with a free technician to make sure it worked, who stated that as far as he was aware it was the first that Optus had provisioned on VDSL in Newcastle.
I have done IPoE on the NBN Fibre (plug into ethernet and enable dhcp) and it is plug and play.
I havent had my Vigor 130 delivered yet so I haven't been able to test this, I was hoping to be able to bridge the Optus CPE, but that is not possible, so here is my reading on IPoEoATM
Set the modem to use aal5-snap (llc) and then RFC 2684 (formerly RFC 1483) Bridged mode, if my reading is right, you should then be able to set the mikrotik to have dhcp on the Ethernet interface, and it should all just work(tm)
So if you get a chance I would love to see if I am right
On 19 November 2015 at 20:12, Damien Gardner Jnr <rendrag@rendrag.net> wrote:
That's what I'd thought, but when I put either the telstra modem, or the Draytek Vigor 130 I bought into bridge mode, my CRS109 gets no DHCP lease, so I assume there's more to it than that?
On 19 November 2015 at 20:09, Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) < jason@upandrunningtech.com.au> wrote:
Isn't IPoE a Generation-Y name for DHCP? The one NBN connection I have a Mikrotik talking to is an NBN wireless box and it is just using PPPoE like bridged ADSL.
On 19 November 2015 at 19:34, Damien Gardner Jnr <rendrag@rendrag.net> wrote:
I have not got it working yet, currently just using the Telstra router DMZ function instead.. I would LOVE to hear of anyone who has IPoE figured out on 'tik :)
On 19 November 2015 at 19:20, Stephen Schwetz <stephen@schwetz.id.au> wrote:
Hi All,
I have a site that has just switched over to the NBN vdsl service. Optus have supplied their router, which I would like to replace with a vdsl bridge.
Has anyone got any information on using the mikrotik with IPoE on the NBN, I would especially love to get a config if you have one.
Cheers
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Ahh! I was trying IPoE Bridged mode.. Lemme try LLC. AHHHHHHH!!!! I see - you end up with TWO IP's!!! The router still has one public WAN IP (the vigor won't let you disable the dhcp client) - but now the Mikrotik is ALSO getting a public IP!!! NICE! I've kinda half decided to stick with the Telstra gateway and live with DMZ mode though - the Telstra router syncs at 63/18, where as the Vigor syncs at 53/12... That extra 10/6mbps is important! :) On 19 November 2015 at 21:18, Stephen Schwetz <stephen@schwetz.id.au> wrote:
Nothing like being on the cutting edge, this stuff is that new even to optus that the install was a self install, but it came with a free technician to make sure it worked, who stated that as far as he was aware it was the first that Optus had provisioned on VDSL in Newcastle.
I have done IPoE on the NBN Fibre (plug into ethernet and enable dhcp) and it is plug and play.
I havent had my Vigor 130 delivered yet so I haven't been able to test this, I was hoping to be able to bridge the Optus CPE, but that is not possible, so here is my reading on IPoEoATM
Set the modem to use aal5-snap (llc) and then RFC 2684 (formerly RFC 1483) Bridged mode, if my reading is right, you should then be able to set the mikrotik to have dhcp on the Ethernet interface, and it should all just work(tm)
So if you get a chance I would love to see if I am right
On 19 November 2015 at 20:12, Damien Gardner Jnr <rendrag@rendrag.net> wrote:
That's what I'd thought, but when I put either the telstra modem, or the Draytek Vigor 130 I bought into bridge mode, my CRS109 gets no DHCP lease, so I assume there's more to it than that?
On 19 November 2015 at 20:09, Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) < jason@upandrunningtech.com.au> wrote:
Isn't IPoE a Generation-Y name for DHCP? The one NBN connection I have a Mikrotik talking to is an NBN wireless box and it is just using PPPoE like bridged ADSL.
On 19 November 2015 at 19:34, Damien Gardner Jnr <rendrag@rendrag.net> wrote:
I have not got it working yet, currently just using the Telstra router DMZ function instead.. I would LOVE to hear of anyone who has IPoE figured out on 'tik :)
On 19 November 2015 at 19:20, Stephen Schwetz <stephen@schwetz.id.au
wrote:
Hi All,
I have a site that has just switched over to the NBN vdsl service. Optus have supplied their router, which I would like to replace with a vdsl bridge.
Has anyone got any information on using the mikrotik with IPoE on the NBN, I would especially love to get a config if you have one.
Cheers
Stephen _______________________________________________ Public mailing list Public@talk.mikrotik.com.au
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That extra 10/6mbps is important! :)
<shakes fist> I only get 13/1 on ADSL2. The new NBN plan says I need to wait another 3 years before I see the NBN. If I lived on the farm at the end of my street I would be eligible for NBN wireless which I know gets close to 50/20. On 19 November 2015 at 21:41, Damien Gardner Jnr <rendrag@rendrag.net> wrote:
Ahh! I was trying IPoE Bridged mode.. Lemme try LLC.
AHHHHHHH!!!! I see - you end up with TWO IP's!!! The router still has one public WAN IP (the vigor won't let you disable the dhcp client) - but now the Mikrotik is ALSO getting a public IP!!! NICE!
I've kinda half decided to stick with the Telstra gateway and live with DMZ mode though - the Telstra router syncs at 63/18, where as the Vigor syncs at 53/12... That extra 10/6mbps is important! :)
On 19 November 2015 at 21:18, Stephen Schwetz <stephen@schwetz.id.au> wrote:
Nothing like being on the cutting edge, this stuff is that new even to optus that the install was a self install, but it came with a free technician to make sure it worked, who stated that as far as he was aware it was the first that Optus had provisioned on VDSL in Newcastle.
I have done IPoE on the NBN Fibre (plug into ethernet and enable dhcp) and it is plug and play.
I havent had my Vigor 130 delivered yet so I haven't been able to test this, I was hoping to be able to bridge the Optus CPE, but that is not possible, so here is my reading on IPoEoATM
Set the modem to use aal5-snap (llc) and then RFC 2684 (formerly RFC
Bridged mode, if my reading is right, you should then be able to set the mikrotik to have dhcp on the Ethernet interface, and it should all just work(tm)
So if you get a chance I would love to see if I am right
On 19 November 2015 at 20:12, Damien Gardner Jnr <rendrag@rendrag.net> wrote:
That's what I'd thought, but when I put either the telstra modem, or the Draytek Vigor 130 I bought into bridge mode, my CRS109 gets no DHCP lease, so I assume there's more to it than that?
On 19 November 2015 at 20:09, Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) < jason@upandrunningtech.com.au> wrote:
Isn't IPoE a Generation-Y name for DHCP? The one NBN connection I have a Mikrotik talking to is an NBN wireless box and it is just using PPPoE like bridged ADSL.
On 19 November 2015 at 19:34, Damien Gardner Jnr < rendrag@rendrag.net> wrote:
I have not got it working yet, currently just using the Telstra router DMZ function instead.. I would LOVE to hear of anyone who has IPoE figured out on 'tik :)
On 19 November 2015 at 19:20, Stephen Schwetz < stephen@schwetz.id.au
wrote:
Hi All,
I have a site that has just switched over to the NBN vdsl service. Optus have supplied their router, which I would like to replace with a vdsl bridge.
Has anyone got any information on using the mikrotik with IPoE on the NBN, I would especially love to get a config if you have one.
Cheers
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The speed difference is likely because the Telstra modem supports vectoring. some sites are not getting sync at all without approved vectoring firmware on the cps. matt
On 19 Nov 2015, at 9:41 PM, Damien Gardner Jnr <rendrag@rendrag.net> wrote:
Ahh! I was trying IPoE Bridged mode.. Lemme try LLC.
AHHHHHHH!!!! I see - you end up with TWO IP's!!! The router still has one public WAN IP (the vigor won't let you disable the dhcp client) - but now the Mikrotik is ALSO getting a public IP!!! NICE!
I've kinda half decided to stick with the Telstra gateway and live with DMZ mode though - the Telstra router syncs at 63/18, where as the Vigor syncs at 53/12... That extra 10/6mbps is important! :)
On 19 November 2015 at 21:18, Stephen Schwetz <stephen@schwetz.id.au> wrote:
Nothing like being on the cutting edge, this stuff is that new even to optus that the install was a self install, but it came with a free technician to make sure it worked, who stated that as far as he was aware it was the first that Optus had provisioned on VDSL in Newcastle.
I have done IPoE on the NBN Fibre (plug into ethernet and enable dhcp) and it is plug and play.
I havent had my Vigor 130 delivered yet so I haven't been able to test this, I was hoping to be able to bridge the Optus CPE, but that is not possible, so here is my reading on IPoEoATM
Set the modem to use aal5-snap (llc) and then RFC 2684 (formerly RFC 1483) Bridged mode, if my reading is right, you should then be able to set the mikrotik to have dhcp on the Ethernet interface, and it should all just work(tm)
So if you get a chance I would love to see if I am right
On 19 November 2015 at 20:12, Damien Gardner Jnr <rendrag@rendrag.net> wrote:
That's what I'd thought, but when I put either the telstra modem, or the Draytek Vigor 130 I bought into bridge mode, my CRS109 gets no DHCP lease, so I assume there's more to it than that?
On 19 November 2015 at 20:09, Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) < jason@upandrunningtech.com.au> wrote:
Isn't IPoE a Generation-Y name for DHCP? The one NBN connection I have a Mikrotik talking to is an NBN wireless box and it is just using PPPoE like bridged ADSL.
On 19 November 2015 at 19:34, Damien Gardner Jnr <rendrag@rendrag.net> wrote:
I have not got it working yet, currently just using the Telstra router DMZ function instead.. I would LOVE to hear of anyone who has IPoE figured out on 'tik :)
On 19 November 2015 at 19:20, Stephen Schwetz <stephen@schwetz.id.au
wrote:
Hi All,
I have a site that has just switched over to the NBN vdsl service. Optus have supplied their router, which I would like to replace with a vdsl bridge.
Has anyone got any information on using the mikrotik with IPoE on the NBN, I would especially love to get a config if you have one.
Cheers
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Yeah, the Vigor actually does not sync at all until you download the vectoring-enabled firmware and flash the device. :) On 19 November 2015 at 22:20, Matt Perkins <matt@spectrum.com.au> wrote:
The speed difference is likely because the Telstra modem supports vectoring. some sites are not getting sync at all without approved vectoring firmware on the cps.
matt
Bridged mode, if my reading is right, you should then be able to set the mikrotik to have dhcp on the Ethernet interface, and it should all just work(tm)
So if you get a chance I would love to see if I am right
On 19 November 2015 at 20:12, Damien Gardner Jnr <rendrag@rendrag.net> wrote:
That's what I'd thought, but when I put either the telstra modem, or the Draytek Vigor 130 I bought into bridge mode, my CRS109 gets no DHCP lease, so I assume there's more to it than that?
On 19 November 2015 at 20:09, Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) < jason@upandrunningtech.com.au> wrote:
Isn't IPoE a Generation-Y name for DHCP? The one NBN connection I have a Mikrotik talking to is an NBN wireless box and it is just using PPPoE like bridged ADSL.
On 19 November 2015 at 19:34, Damien Gardner Jnr <rendrag@rendrag.net
wrote:
I have not got it working yet, currently just using the Telstra router DMZ function instead.. I would LOVE to hear of anyone who has IPoE figured out on 'tik :)
On 19 November 2015 at 19:20, Stephen Schwetz <stephen@schwetz.id.au
wrote:
> Hi All, > > I have a site that has just switched over to the NBN vdsl service. Optus > have supplied their router, which I would like to replace with a vdsl > bridge. > > Has anyone got any information on using the mikrotik with IPoE on the NBN, > I would especially love to get a config if you have one. > > Cheers > > Stephen > _______________________________________________ > Public mailing list > Public@talk.mikrotik.com.au
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On 19 Nov 2015, at 9:41 PM, Damien Gardner Jnr <rendrag@rendrag.net> wrote:
Ahh! I was trying IPoE Bridged mode.. Lemme try LLC.
AHHHHHHH!!!! I see - you end up with TWO IP's!!! The router still has one public WAN IP (the vigor won't let you disable the dhcp client) - but now the Mikrotik is ALSO getting a public IP!!! NICE!
I've kinda half decided to stick with the Telstra gateway and live with DMZ mode though - the Telstra router syncs at 63/18, where as the Vigor syncs at 53/12... That extra 10/6mbps is important! :)
On 19 November 2015 at 21:18, Stephen Schwetz <stephen@schwetz.id.au> wrote:
Nothing like being on the cutting edge, this stuff is that new even to optus that the install was a self install, but it came with a free technician to make sure it worked, who stated that as far as he was aware it was the first that Optus had provisioned on VDSL in Newcastle.
I have done IPoE on the NBN Fibre (plug into ethernet and enable dhcp) and it is plug and play.
I havent had my Vigor 130 delivered yet so I haven't been able to test this, I was hoping to be able to bridge the Optus CPE, but that is not possible, so here is my reading on IPoEoATM
Set the modem to use aal5-snap (llc) and then RFC 2684 (formerly RFC
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NBN don't support non-vectoring CPE on VDSL, when I did the on-boarding for VDSL in Melbourne that was one of the tests they make you adhere to in the lab, you must use a CPE which supports vectoring and prove that it is enabled, it's no go if you don't, it's all about working with interference on VDSL as it keeps the line speeds up there in noisy environments, i.e. lots of NBN VDSL2 connections..... I personally can't wait until they start hitting our on-net VDSL2 buildings, should be interesting days and quite possibly some lawyers involved at some stage when they pony into an MDU and start installing their VDSL2 when existing providers are already there, there are plenty of people doing it now so it's going to get interesting.... Regards Paul -----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Damien Gardner Jnr Sent: Thursday, 19 November 2015 10:40 PM To: MikroTik Australia Public List Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] Mikrotik with IPoE Yeah, the Vigor actually does not sync at all until you download the vectoring-enabled firmware and flash the device. :) On 19 November 2015 at 22:20, Matt Perkins <matt@spectrum.com.au> wrote:
The speed difference is likely because the Telstra modem supports vectoring. some sites are not getting sync at all without approved vectoring firmware on the cps.
matt
Bridged mode, if my reading is right, you should then be able to set the mikrotik to have dhcp on the Ethernet interface, and it should all just work(tm)
So if you get a chance I would love to see if I am right
On 19 November 2015 at 20:12, Damien Gardner Jnr <rendrag@rendrag.net> wrote:
That's what I'd thought, but when I put either the telstra modem, or the Draytek Vigor 130 I bought into bridge mode, my CRS109 gets no DHCP lease, so I assume there's more to it than that?
On 19 November 2015 at 20:09, Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) < jason@upandrunningtech.com.au> wrote:
Isn't IPoE a Generation-Y name for DHCP? The one NBN connection I have a Mikrotik talking to is an NBN wireless box and it is just using PPPoE like bridged ADSL.
On 19 November 2015 at 19:34, Damien Gardner Jnr <rendrag@rendrag.net
wrote:
I have not got it working yet, currently just using the Telstra router DMZ function instead.. I would LOVE to hear of anyone who has IPoE figured out on 'tik :)
On 19 November 2015 at 19:20, Stephen Schwetz <stephen@schwetz.id.au
wrote:
> Hi All, > > I have a site that has just switched over to the NBN vdsl service. Optus > have supplied their router, which I would like to replace with > a vdsl > bridge. > > Has anyone got any information on using the mikrotik with IPoE > on the NBN, > I would especially love to get a config if you have one. > > Cheers > > Stephen > _______________________________________________ > Public mailing list > Public@talk.mikrotik.com.au
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On 19 Nov 2015, at 9:41 PM, Damien Gardner Jnr <rendrag@rendrag.net> wrote:
Ahh! I was trying IPoE Bridged mode.. Lemme try LLC.
AHHHHHHH!!!! I see - you end up with TWO IP's!!! The router still has one public WAN IP (the vigor won't let you disable the dhcp client) - but now the Mikrotik is ALSO getting a public IP!!! NICE!
I've kinda half decided to stick with the Telstra gateway and live with DMZ mode though - the Telstra router syncs at 63/18, where as the Vigor syncs at 53/12... That extra 10/6mbps is important! :)
On 19 November 2015 at 21:18, Stephen Schwetz <stephen@schwetz.id.au> wrote:
Nothing like being on the cutting edge, this stuff is that new even to optus that the install was a self install, but it came with a free technician to make sure it worked, who stated that as far as he was aware it was the first that Optus had provisioned on VDSL in Newcastle.
I have done IPoE on the NBN Fibre (plug into ethernet and enable dhcp) and it is plug and play.
I havent had my Vigor 130 delivered yet so I haven't been able to test this, I was hoping to be able to bridge the Optus CPE, but that is not possible, so here is my reading on IPoEoATM
Set the modem to use aal5-snap (llc) and then RFC 2684 (formerly RFC
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It might be worth upgrading the Vigor 130, as the latest firmware is supposed to support vectoring On 19 November 2015 at 22:20, Matt Perkins <matt@spectrum.com.au> wrote:
The speed difference is likely because the Telstra modem supports vectoring. some sites are not getting sync at all without approved vectoring firmware on the cps.
matt
Bridged mode, if my reading is right, you should then be able to set the mikrotik to have dhcp on the Ethernet interface, and it should all just work(tm)
So if you get a chance I would love to see if I am right
On 19 November 2015 at 20:12, Damien Gardner Jnr <rendrag@rendrag.net> wrote:
That's what I'd thought, but when I put either the telstra modem, or the Draytek Vigor 130 I bought into bridge mode, my CRS109 gets no DHCP lease, so I assume there's more to it than that?
On 19 November 2015 at 20:09, Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) < jason@upandrunningtech.com.au> wrote:
Isn't IPoE a Generation-Y name for DHCP? The one NBN connection I have a Mikrotik talking to is an NBN wireless box and it is just using PPPoE like bridged ADSL.
On 19 November 2015 at 19:34, Damien Gardner Jnr <rendrag@rendrag.net
wrote:
I have not got it working yet, currently just using the Telstra router DMZ function instead.. I would LOVE to hear of anyone who has IPoE figured out on 'tik :)
On 19 November 2015 at 19:20, Stephen Schwetz <stephen@schwetz.id.au
wrote:
> Hi All, > > I have a site that has just switched over to the NBN vdsl service. Optus > have supplied their router, which I would like to replace with a vdsl > bridge. > > Has anyone got any information on using the mikrotik with IPoE on the NBN, > I would especially love to get a config if you have one. > > Cheers > > Stephen > _______________________________________________ > Public mailing list > Public@talk.mikrotik.com.au
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On 19 Nov 2015, at 9:41 PM, Damien Gardner Jnr <rendrag@rendrag.net> wrote:
Ahh! I was trying IPoE Bridged mode.. Lemme try LLC.
AHHHHHHH!!!! I see - you end up with TWO IP's!!! The router still has one public WAN IP (the vigor won't let you disable the dhcp client) - but now the Mikrotik is ALSO getting a public IP!!! NICE!
I've kinda half decided to stick with the Telstra gateway and live with DMZ mode though - the Telstra router syncs at 63/18, where as the Vigor syncs at 53/12... That extra 10/6mbps is important! :)
On 19 November 2015 at 21:18, Stephen Schwetz <stephen@schwetz.id.au> wrote:
Nothing like being on the cutting edge, this stuff is that new even to optus that the install was a self install, but it came with a free technician to make sure it worked, who stated that as far as he was aware it was the first that Optus had provisioned on VDSL in Newcastle.
I have done IPoE on the NBN Fibre (plug into ethernet and enable dhcp) and it is plug and play.
I havent had my Vigor 130 delivered yet so I haven't been able to test this, I was hoping to be able to bridge the Optus CPE, but that is not possible, so here is my reading on IPoEoATM
Set the modem to use aal5-snap (llc) and then RFC 2684 (formerly RFC
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It actually doesn't work at all out of the box - you have to download the Vigor130_v3.7.8.3_modem4.zip firmware from http://www.draytek.com.au/support/downloads/vigor130/. There are other _vectoring firmware variants, may be worth trying the others and see if they get sync at a higher rate.. I might give it a burl on the weekend :) That said, the Telstra modem is quite rock solid. It says it has bridge mode, but you lose VOIP and DECT functionality (and access to Telstra Air) when you put it into bridge mode.. On 20 November 2015 at 07:30, Stephen Schwetz <stephen@schwetz.id.au> wrote:
It might be worth upgrading the Vigor 130, as the latest firmware is supposed to support vectoring
On 19 November 2015 at 22:20, Matt Perkins <matt@spectrum.com.au> wrote:
The speed difference is likely because the Telstra modem supports vectoring. some sites are not getting sync at all without approved vectoring firmware on the cps.
matt
Bridged mode, if my reading is right, you should then be able to set the mikrotik to have dhcp on the Ethernet interface, and it should all just work(tm)
So if you get a chance I would love to see if I am right
On 19 November 2015 at 20:12, Damien Gardner Jnr <rendrag@rendrag.net
On 19 Nov 2015, at 9:41 PM, Damien Gardner Jnr <rendrag@rendrag.net> wrote:
Ahh! I was trying IPoE Bridged mode.. Lemme try LLC.
AHHHHHHH!!!! I see - you end up with TWO IP's!!! The router still has one public WAN IP (the vigor won't let you disable the dhcp client) - but now the Mikrotik is ALSO getting a public IP!!! NICE!
I've kinda half decided to stick with the Telstra gateway and live with DMZ mode though - the Telstra router syncs at 63/18, where as the Vigor syncs at 53/12... That extra 10/6mbps is important! :)
On 19 November 2015 at 21:18, Stephen Schwetz <stephen@schwetz.id.au> wrote:
Nothing like being on the cutting edge, this stuff is that new even to optus that the install was a self install, but it came with a free technician to make sure it worked, who stated that as far as he was aware it was the first that Optus had provisioned on VDSL in Newcastle.
I have done IPoE on the NBN Fibre (plug into ethernet and enable dhcp) and it is plug and play.
I havent had my Vigor 130 delivered yet so I haven't been able to test this, I was hoping to be able to bridge the Optus CPE, but that is not possible, so here is my reading on IPoEoATM
Set the modem to use aal5-snap (llc) and then RFC 2684 (formerly RFC
wrote:
That's what I'd thought, but when I put either the telstra modem, or the Draytek Vigor 130 I bought into bridge mode, my CRS109 gets no DHCP lease, so I assume there's more to it than that?
On 19 November 2015 at 20:09, Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) < jason@upandrunningtech.com.au> wrote:
Isn't IPoE a Generation-Y name for DHCP? The one NBN connection I have a Mikrotik talking to is an NBN wireless box and it is just using PPPoE like bridged ADSL.
On 19 November 2015 at 19:34, Damien Gardner Jnr < rendrag@rendrag.net
wrote:
> I have not got it working yet, currently just using the Telstra router DMZ > function instead.. I would LOVE to hear of anyone who has IPoE figured out > on 'tik :) > > On 19 November 2015 at 19:20, Stephen Schwetz < stephen@schwetz.id.au
> wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> I have a site that has just switched over to the NBN vdsl service. Optus >> have supplied their router, which I would like to replace with a vdsl >> bridge. >> >> Has anyone got any information on using the mikrotik with IPoE on the > NBN, >> I would especially love to get a config if you have one. >> >> Cheers >> >> Stephen >> _______________________________________________ >> Public mailing list >> Public@talk.mikrotik.com.au
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In the past in spite of having a Billion VoIP (7401VGPM) modem in bridged mode I was still able to muck around with the IP settings on the modem and the Mikrotik to get the VoIP function working. On the Mikrotik I set an IP address on the PPPoE WAN ethernet interface and while in bridged mode the modem could have a static IP, route and DNS settings configured to look back at the Mikrotik. VoIP worked fine after that. I have also telnetted into a Telstra modem in the past to manually configure persistent static routes so the same trick above may possibly be applied to a recent Telstra modem to get it's VoIP and Air functions to work in spite of being in bridged mode. On 20 November 2015 at 08:20, Damien Gardner Jnr <rendrag@rendrag.net> wrote:
It actually doesn't work at all out of the box - you have to download the Vigor130_v3.7.8.3_modem4.zip firmware from http://www.draytek.com.au/support/downloads/vigor130/. There are other _vectoring firmware variants, may be worth trying the others and see if they get sync at a higher rate.. I might give it a burl on the weekend :) That said, the Telstra modem is quite rock solid. It says it has bridge mode, but you lose VOIP and DECT functionality (and access to Telstra Air) when you put it into bridge mode..
On 20 November 2015 at 07:30, Stephen Schwetz <stephen@schwetz.id.au> wrote:
It might be worth upgrading the Vigor 130, as the latest firmware is supposed to support vectoring
On 19 November 2015 at 22:20, Matt Perkins <matt@spectrum.com.au> wrote:
The speed difference is likely because the Telstra modem supports vectoring. some sites are not getting sync at all without approved vectoring firmware on the cps.
matt
Bridged mode, if my reading is right, you should then be able to set the mikrotik to have dhcp on the Ethernet interface, and it should all just work(tm)
So if you get a chance I would love to see if I am right
On 19 November 2015 at 20:12, Damien Gardner Jnr < rendrag@rendrag.net
On 19 Nov 2015, at 9:41 PM, Damien Gardner Jnr <rendrag@rendrag.net> wrote:
Ahh! I was trying IPoE Bridged mode.. Lemme try LLC.
AHHHHHHH!!!! I see - you end up with TWO IP's!!! The router still has one public WAN IP (the vigor won't let you disable the dhcp client) - but now the Mikrotik is ALSO getting a public IP!!! NICE!
I've kinda half decided to stick with the Telstra gateway and live with DMZ mode though - the Telstra router syncs at 63/18, where as the Vigor syncs at 53/12... That extra 10/6mbps is important! :)
On 19 November 2015 at 21:18, Stephen Schwetz < stephen@schwetz.id.au> wrote:
Nothing like being on the cutting edge, this stuff is that new even to optus that the install was a self install, but it came with a free technician to make sure it worked, who stated that as far as he was aware it was the first that Optus had provisioned on VDSL in Newcastle.
I have done IPoE on the NBN Fibre (plug into ethernet and enable dhcp) and it is plug and play.
I havent had my Vigor 130 delivered yet so I haven't been able to test this, I was hoping to be able to bridge the Optus CPE, but that is not possible, so here is my reading on IPoEoATM
Set the modem to use aal5-snap (llc) and then RFC 2684 (formerly RFC
wrote:
That's what I'd thought, but when I put either the telstra modem, or the Draytek Vigor 130 I bought into bridge mode, my CRS109 gets no DHCP lease, so I assume there's more to it than that?
On 19 November 2015 at 20:09, Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) < jason@upandrunningtech.com.au> wrote:
> Isn't IPoE a Generation-Y name for DHCP? The one NBN connection I have a > Mikrotik talking to is an NBN wireless box and it is just using PPPoE like > bridged ADSL. > > On 19 November 2015 at 19:34, Damien Gardner Jnr < rendrag@rendrag.net
> wrote: > >> I have not got it working yet, currently just using the Telstra router > DMZ >> function instead.. I would LOVE to hear of anyone who has IPoE figured > out >> on 'tik :) >> >> On 19 November 2015 at 19:20, Stephen Schwetz < stephen@schwetz.id.au
>> wrote: >> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> I have a site that has just switched over to the NBN vdsl service. > Optus >>> have supplied their router, which I would like to replace with a vdsl >>> bridge. >>> >>> Has anyone got any information on using the mikrotik with IPoE on the >> NBN, >>> I would especially love to get a config if you have one. >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Stephen >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Public mailing list >>> Public@talk.mikrotik.com.au
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Unfortunately, Telstra has gotten 'smart' with the TG799 - no telnet, completely locked down - and if you enable bridge mode, it gives you a big warning 'No access is possible after enabling bridge mode, please factory reset to regain access' before you can click OK. I was rather hoping to do like I've done with previous routers (A 7404VGOM, so much like yours :D ), and enable bridge mode, then turn on RIP on the lan interface, and have its VOIP functions still work! My boss has somehow managed to get himself on the Telstra Business FTTN trial (they told me there was no such thing.. GRRR. I guess he spends an order of magnitude more with them though ;) ), I'm going to be interested to see what router they supply on business connections.. On 20 November 2015 at 09:14, Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) < jason@upandrunningtech.com.au> wrote:
In the past in spite of having a Billion VoIP (7401VGPM) modem in bridged mode I was still able to muck around with the IP settings on the modem and the Mikrotik to get the VoIP function working.
On the Mikrotik I set an IP address on the PPPoE WAN ethernet interface and while in bridged mode the modem could have a static IP, route and DNS settings configured to look back at the Mikrotik. VoIP worked fine after that.
I have also telnetted into a Telstra modem in the past to manually configure persistent static routes so the same trick above may possibly be applied to a recent Telstra modem to get it's VoIP and Air functions to work in spite of being in bridged mode.
On 20 November 2015 at 08:20, Damien Gardner Jnr <rendrag@rendrag.net> wrote:
It actually doesn't work at all out of the box - you have to download the Vigor130_v3.7.8.3_modem4.zip firmware from http://www.draytek.com.au/support/downloads/vigor130/. There are other _vectoring firmware variants, may be worth trying the others and see if they get sync at a higher rate.. I might give it a burl on the weekend :) That said, the Telstra modem is quite rock solid. It says it has bridge mode, but you lose VOIP and DECT functionality (and access to Telstra Air) when you put it into bridge mode..
On 20 November 2015 at 07:30, Stephen Schwetz <stephen@schwetz.id.au> wrote:
It might be worth upgrading the Vigor 130, as the latest firmware is supposed to support vectoring
On 19 November 2015 at 22:20, Matt Perkins <matt@spectrum.com.au> wrote:
The speed difference is likely because the Telstra modem supports vectoring. some sites are not getting sync at all without approved vectoring firmware on the cps.
matt
Bridged mode, if my reading is right, you should then be able to set the mikrotik to have dhcp on the Ethernet interface, and it should all just work(tm)
So if you get a chance I would love to see if I am right
On 19 November 2015 at 20:12, Damien Gardner Jnr < rendrag@rendrag.net
On 19 Nov 2015, at 9:41 PM, Damien Gardner Jnr < rendrag@rendrag.net> wrote:
Ahh! I was trying IPoE Bridged mode.. Lemme try LLC.
AHHHHHHH!!!! I see - you end up with TWO IP's!!! The router still has one public WAN IP (the vigor won't let you disable the dhcp client) - but now the Mikrotik is ALSO getting a public IP!!! NICE!
I've kinda half decided to stick with the Telstra gateway and live with DMZ mode though - the Telstra router syncs at 63/18, where as the Vigor syncs at 53/12... That extra 10/6mbps is important! :)
On 19 November 2015 at 21:18, Stephen Schwetz < stephen@schwetz.id.au> wrote:
Nothing like being on the cutting edge, this stuff is that new even to optus that the install was a self install, but it came with a free technician to make sure it worked, who stated that as far as he was aware it was the first that Optus had provisioned on VDSL in Newcastle.
I have done IPoE on the NBN Fibre (plug into ethernet and enable dhcp) and it is plug and play.
I havent had my Vigor 130 delivered yet so I haven't been able to test this, I was hoping to be able to bridge the Optus CPE, but that is not possible, so here is my reading on IPoEoATM
Set the modem to use aal5-snap (llc) and then RFC 2684 (formerly RFC
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> That's what I'd thought, but when I put either the telstra modem, or the > Draytek Vigor 130 I bought into bridge mode, my CRS109 gets no DHCP lease, > so I assume there's more to it than that? > > On 19 November 2015 at 20:09, Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) < > jason@upandrunningtech.com.au> wrote: > >> Isn't IPoE a Generation-Y name for DHCP? The one NBN connection I have a >> Mikrotik talking to is an NBN wireless box and it is just using PPPoE > like >> bridged ADSL. >> >> On 19 November 2015 at 19:34, Damien Gardner Jnr < rendrag@rendrag.net
>> wrote: >> >>> I have not got it working yet, currently just using the Telstra router >> DMZ >>> function instead.. I would LOVE to hear of anyone who has IPoE figured >> out >>> on 'tik :) >>> >>> On 19 November 2015 at 19:20, Stephen Schwetz < stephen@schwetz.id.au > >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi All, >>>> >>>> I have a site that has just switched over to the NBN vdsl service. >> Optus >>>> have supplied their router, which I would like to replace with a vdsl >>>> bridge. >>>> >>>> Has anyone got any information on using the mikrotik with IPoE on the >>> NBN, >>>> I would especially love to get a config if you have one. >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> >>>> Stephen >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Public mailing list >>>> Public@talk.mikrotik.com.au
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Any chance the modems, even in bridge mode, are doing something with the DHCP requests/responses? (like filtering still) On 19/11/2015 8:13:13 PM, Damien Gardner Jnr <rendrag@rendrag.net> wrote: That's what I'd thought, but when I put either the telstra modem, or the Draytek Vigor 130 I bought into bridge mode, my CRS109 gets no DHCP lease, so I assume there's more to it than that? On 19 November 2015 at 20:09, Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) <> jason@upandrunningtech.com.au> wrote:
Isn't IPoE a Generation-Y name for DHCP? The one NBN connection I have a Mikrotik talking to is an NBN wireless box and it is just using PPPoE like bridged ADSL.
On 19 November 2015 at 19:34, Damien Gardner Jnr wrote:
I have not got it working yet, currently just using the Telstra router DMZ function instead.. I would LOVE to hear of anyone who has IPoE figured out on 'tik :)
On 19 November 2015 at 19:20, Stephen Schwetz wrote:
Hi All,
I have a site that has just switched over to the NBN vdsl service. Optus have supplied their router, which I would like to replace with a vdsl bridge.
Has anyone got any information on using the mikrotik with IPoE on the NBN, I would especially love to get a config if you have one.
Cheers
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There's another reply further up, I did get it working with Stephen's suggestion. You need to put it into LLC Bridged, not IPoE Bridged (Yeah, doesn't really make sense :) ) Weirdly, the draytek still gets an IP address, but the 'tik then also gets a different one. On 20 November 2015 at 07:37, Bob Purdon <bobp@purdon.id.au> wrote:
Any chance the modems, even in bridge mode, are doing something with the DHCP requests/responses? (like filtering still)
On 19/11/2015 8:13:13 PM, Damien Gardner Jnr <rendrag@rendrag.net> wrote: That's what I'd thought, but when I put either the telstra modem, or the Draytek Vigor 130 I bought into bridge mode, my CRS109 gets no DHCP lease, so I assume there's more to it than that?
On 19 November 2015 at 20:09, Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) <> jason@upandrunningtech.com.au> wrote:
Isn't IPoE a Generation-Y name for DHCP? The one NBN connection I have a Mikrotik talking to is an NBN wireless box and it is just using PPPoE like bridged ADSL.
On 19 November 2015 at 19:34, Damien Gardner Jnr wrote:
I have not got it working yet, currently just using the Telstra router DMZ function instead.. I would LOVE to hear of anyone who has IPoE figured out on 'tik :)
On 19 November 2015 at 19:20, Stephen Schwetz wrote:
Hi All,
I have a site that has just switched over to the NBN vdsl service. Optus have supplied their router, which I would like to replace with a vdsl bridge.
Has anyone got any information on using the mikrotik with IPoE on the NBN, I would especially love to get a config if you have one.
Cheers
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I would have expected it to be as simple as configuring a DHCP client on the NBN facing interface. I haven't done it myself (my provider uses PPPoE), but I've seen a Mikrotik used with IPoE over NBN as far back as 2010. On 19/11/2015 7:35:32 PM, Damien Gardner Jnr <rendrag@rendrag.net> wrote: I have not got it working yet, currently just using the Telstra router DMZ function instead.. I would LOVE to hear of anyone who has IPoE figured out on 'tik :) On 19 November 2015 at 19:20, Stephen Schwetz wrote:
Hi All,
I have a site that has just switched over to the NBN vdsl service. Optus have supplied their router, which I would like to replace with a vdsl bridge.
Has anyone got any information on using the mikrotik with IPoE on the NBN, I would especially love to get a config if you have one.
Cheers
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