Hi all! I'm interested to hear any experiences using FTTN services bridged to LAN to present the service address directly to routerOS, for any ISP really, but in relation to modems supplied by iinet are most relevant for this case :-} Any favourite modem hardware to use? Any known gotchas (e.g. dhcp lease at the head end) or limitations? Any and all comments will be well received and very much appreciated! :-) Thanks in advance, Regards Mike.
Hi Mike, We use the Netcomm NF10W to bridge to mikrotiks and it works great 😊 NBN completed all of their FTTN testing with Netcomm so we just stick with those. Have had no issues using PPPoE not DHCP though. Regards, -----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Mike Everest Sent: Monday, 19 June 2017 3:27 PM To: public@talk.mikrotik.com.au Subject: [MT-AU Public] bridged modem and iinet NBN service Hi all! I'm interested to hear any experiences using FTTN services bridged to LAN to present the service address directly to routerOS, for any ISP really, but in relation to modems supplied by iinet are most relevant for this case :-} Any favourite modem hardware to use? Any known gotchas (e.g. dhcp lease at the head end) or limitations? Any and all comments will be well received and very much appreciated! :-) Thanks in advance, Regards Mike. _______________________________________________ Public mailing list Public@talk.mikrotik.com.au http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk.mikrotik.com.au ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the Symantec Email Security.cloud service. For more information please visit http://www.symanteccloud.com ______________________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the Symantec Email Security.cloud service. For more information please visit http://www.symanteccloud.com ______________________________________________________________________
Hi Mike, We have used the Netcomm NF10W and NF4V in bridge mode, with IPoE. The NF4V seems to have had flaky models lately (they have a different chipset), needing a reboot of the router regularly, so I wouldn't recommend those. I've heard good things about the D-Link DSL-G225 too. Regards, Philip Loenneker | Network Engineer | TasmaNet -----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Thomas Bishop Sent: Monday, 19 June 2017 3:31 PM To: MikroTik Australia Public List <public@talk.mikrotik.com.au> Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] bridged modem and iinet NBN service Hi Mike, We use the Netcomm NF10W to bridge to mikrotiks and it works great 😊 NBN completed all of their FTTN testing with Netcomm so we just stick with those. Have had no issues using PPPoE not DHCP though. Regards, -----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Mike Everest Sent: Monday, 19 June 2017 3:27 PM To: public@talk.mikrotik.com.au Subject: [MT-AU Public] bridged modem and iinet NBN service Hi all! I'm interested to hear any experiences using FTTN services bridged to LAN to present the service address directly to routerOS, for any ISP really, but in relation to modems supplied by iinet are most relevant for this case :-} Any favourite modem hardware to use? Any known gotchas (e.g. dhcp lease at the head end) or limitations? Any and all comments will be well received and very much appreciated! :-) Thanks in advance, Regards Mike. _______________________________________________ Public mailing list Public@talk.mikrotik.com.au http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk.mikrotik.com.au ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the Symantec Email Security.cloud service. For more information please visit http://www.symanteccloud.com ______________________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the Symantec Email Security.cloud service. For more information please visit http://www.symanteccloud.com ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Public mailing list Public@talk.mikrotik.com.au http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk.mikrotik.com.au
Draytek Vigor130 works well, though has issues on short (<200m) lines. I'm told the latest firmware fixes this issue. Telstra TG799vac works well. Netcomm NF4V stay the hell away from ;) (When operating normally, they need a reboot every 12 hours or so. When operating in bridge mode, It randomly doesn't bridge unless you do PPPOE+Bridge, and then it doesn't start the bridge until the PPPOE is auth'd, so you burn TWO PPPOE logins (one on the NF4v, one on the 'tik) Huawei HG658 works well, though annoyingly the interface you bridge to is taken out of the 'lan' bridge, so you have use a short cable to plug from (say) lan port 1 to 2, if you want to only use one port on your 'tik, and still have access to the 658's web interface. On 19 June 2017 at 15:27, Mike Everest <mike@duxtel.com> wrote:
Hi all!
I'm interested to hear any experiences using FTTN services bridged to LAN to present the service address directly to routerOS, for any ISP really, but in relation to modems supplied by iinet are most relevant for this case :-}
Any favourite modem hardware to use? Any known gotchas (e.g. dhcp lease at the head end) or limitations?
Any and all comments will be well received and very much appreciated! :-)
Thanks in advance, Regards Mike.
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+1 for Vigor 130, been running for a number of months on a Telstra FTTN residential connection with RB2011 as DHCP client. It's also possible to connect the original Telstra sagemcomm modem to the LAN (using it's WAN port) to register it as a Telstra VOIP only device with this setup. Best regards, Ben Jackson eLogik (Sent from my mobile device) On 19 Jun. 2017 07:39, "Damien Gardner Jnr" <rendrag@rendrag.net> wrote:
Draytek Vigor130 works well, though has issues on short (<200m) lines. I'm told the latest firmware fixes this issue.
Telstra TG799vac works well.
Netcomm NF4V stay the hell away from ;) (When operating normally, they need a reboot every 12 hours or so. When operating in bridge mode, It randomly doesn't bridge unless you do PPPOE+Bridge, and then it doesn't start the bridge until the PPPOE is auth'd, so you burn TWO PPPOE logins (one on the NF4v, one on the 'tik)
Huawei HG658 works well, though annoyingly the interface you bridge to is taken out of the 'lan' bridge, so you have use a short cable to plug from (say) lan port 1 to 2, if you want to only use one port on your 'tik, and still have access to the 658's web interface.
On 19 June 2017 at 15:27, Mike Everest <mike@duxtel.com> wrote:
Hi all!
I'm interested to hear any experiences using FTTN services bridged to LAN to present the service address directly to routerOS, for any ISP really, but in relation to modems supplied by iinet are most relevant for this case :-}
Any favourite modem hardware to use? Any known gotchas (e.g. dhcp lease at the head end) or limitations?
Any and all comments will be well received and very much appreciated! :-)
Thanks in advance, Regards Mike.
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Oh - and the Vigor 130 must be in bridge mode obviously ;) Best regards, Ben Jackson eLogik (Sent from my mobile device) On 19 Jun. 2017 13:45, "Ben Jackson - eLogik" <ben@elogik.net> wrote:
+1 for Vigor 130, been running for a number of months on a Telstra FTTN residential connection with RB2011 as DHCP client.
It's also possible to connect the original Telstra sagemcomm modem to the LAN (using it's WAN port) to register it as a Telstra VOIP only device with this setup.
Best regards,
Ben Jackson eLogik
(Sent from my mobile device)
On 19 Jun. 2017 07:39, "Damien Gardner Jnr" <rendrag@rendrag.net> wrote:
Draytek Vigor130 works well, though has issues on short (<200m) lines. I'm told the latest firmware fixes this issue.
Telstra TG799vac works well.
Netcomm NF4V stay the hell away from ;) (When operating normally, they need a reboot every 12 hours or so. When operating in bridge mode, It randomly doesn't bridge unless you do PPPOE+Bridge, and then it doesn't start the bridge until the PPPOE is auth'd, so you burn TWO PPPOE logins (one on the NF4v, one on the 'tik)
Huawei HG658 works well, though annoyingly the interface you bridge to is taken out of the 'lan' bridge, so you have use a short cable to plug from (say) lan port 1 to 2, if you want to only use one port on your 'tik, and still have access to the 658's web interface.
On 19 June 2017 at 15:27, Mike Everest <mike@duxtel.com> wrote:
Hi all!
I'm interested to hear any experiences using FTTN services bridged to LAN to present the service address directly to routerOS, for any ISP really, but in relation to modems supplied by iinet are most relevant for this case :-}
Any favourite modem hardware to use? Any known gotchas (e.g. dhcp lease at the head end) or limitations?
Any and all comments will be well received and very much appreciated! :-)
Thanks in advance, Regards Mike.
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The vigor 130 does not run a Broadcom chipset so it looses about 10% sync speed. I use NetComm nb10w in bridge mode. No issues with them On 19 Jun 2017 9:48 PM, "Ben Jackson - eLogik" <ben@elogik.net> wrote: Oh - and the Vigor 130 must be in bridge mode obviously ;) Best regards, Ben Jackson eLogik (Sent from my mobile device) On 19 Jun. 2017 13:45, "Ben Jackson - eLogik" <ben@elogik.net> wrote:
+1 for Vigor 130, been running for a number of months on a Telstra FTTN residential connection with RB2011 as DHCP client.
It's also possible to connect the original Telstra sagemcomm modem to the LAN (using it's WAN port) to register it as a Telstra VOIP only device with this setup.
Best regards,
Ben Jackson eLogik
(Sent from my mobile device)
On 19 Jun. 2017 07:39, "Damien Gardner Jnr" <rendrag@rendrag.net> wrote:
Draytek Vigor130 works well, though has issues on short (<200m) lines. I'm told the latest firmware fixes this issue.
Telstra TG799vac works well.
Netcomm NF4V stay the hell away from ;) (When operating normally, they need a reboot every 12 hours or so. When operating in bridge mode, It randomly doesn't bridge unless you do PPPOE+Bridge, and then it doesn't start the bridge until the PPPOE is auth'd, so you burn TWO PPPOE logins (one on the NF4v, one on the 'tik)
Huawei HG658 works well, though annoyingly the interface you bridge to is taken out of the 'lan' bridge, so you have use a short cable to plug from (say) lan port 1 to 2, if you want to only use one port on your 'tik, and still have access to the 658's web interface.
On 19 June 2017 at 15:27, Mike Everest <mike@duxtel.com> wrote:
Hi all!
I'm interested to hear any experiences using FTTN services bridged to LAN to present the service address directly to routerOS, for any ISP really, but in relation to modems supplied by iinet are most relevant for this case :-}
Any favourite modem hardware to use? Any known gotchas (e.g. dhcp lease at the head end) or limitations?
Any and all comments will be well received and very much appreciated! :-)
Thanks in advance, Regards Mike.
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+1 for Vigor 130, been running for a number of months on a Telstra FTTN residential connection with RB2011 as DHCP client.
It's also possible to connect the original Telstra sagemcomm modem to the LAN (using it's WAN port) to register it as a Telstra VOIP only device with this setup.
Best regards,
Ben Jackson eLogik
(Sent from my mobile device)
On 19 Jun. 2017 07:39, "Damien Gardner Jnr" wrote:
Draytek Vigor130 works well, though has issues on short (> I'm told the latest firmware fixes this issue.
Telstra TG799vac works well.
Netcomm NF4V stay the hell away from ;) (When operating normally,
need a reboot every 12 hours or so. When operating in bridge mode, It randomly doesn't bridge unless you do PPPOE+Bridge, and then it doesn't start the bridge until the PPPOE is auth'd, so you burn TWO PPPOE logins (one on the NF4v, one on the 'tik)
Huawei HG658 works well, though annoyingly the interface you bridge to is taken out of the 'lan' bridge, so you have use a short cable to
I currently run a 2x Vigor 130's for work.(1 NBN line & other on an ADSL2+ line). One of which is only 100 meters from the FTTN. Sync speed is 103594/39121. Current Firmware 3.8.0_m4(yes there is a newer v3.8.1.2 available!!)..Attainable rate 104964/45377. Unit SNR tweaking is available ->Â http://www.draytek.com/en/faq/faq-connectivity/connectivity.wan/how-to-adjus... I run both units in Bridged mode(PPPoE Pass-through), and let a couple of Mikrotik Routers run PPPoE / NAT on the back-end.. I haven't run into any issues with the 130's in 9 months I've had them Cheers Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: "MikroTik Australia Public List" To:"MikroTik Australia Public List" Cc: Sent:Mon, 19 Jun 2017 23:14:01 +1000 Subject:Re: [MT-AU Public] bridged modem and iinet NBN service The vigor 130 does not run a Broadcom chipset so it looses about 10% sync speed. I use NetComm nb10w in bridge mode. No issues with them On 19 Jun 2017 9:48 PM, "Ben Jackson - eLogik" wrote: Oh - and the Vigor 130 must be in bridge mode obviously ;) Best regards, Ben Jackson eLogik (Sent from my mobile device) On 19 Jun. 2017 13:45, "Ben Jackson - eLogik" wrote: they plug from
(say) lan port 1 to 2, if you want to only use one port on your 'tik, and still have access to the 658's web interface.
On 19 June 2017 at 15:27, Mike Everest wrote:
Hi all!
I'm interested to hear any experiences using FTTN services bridged to LAN to present the service address directly to routerOS, for any ISP really, but in relation to modems supplied by iinet are most relevant for this case :-}
Any favourite modem hardware to use? Any known gotchas (e.g. dhcp lease at the head end) or limitations?
Any and all comments will be well received and very much appreciated! :-)
Thanks in advance, Regards Mike.
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Hello Mike, The Billion 8700NEXLR2 works well in bridge mode with NBN / FTTN / vdsl with a couple of caveats. These comments relate to an iiNet service where you connect to their service via IP over Ethernet (if you're not trying to bridge to the Mikrotik). That is, the connection is essentially DHCP, not PPPoE Unfortunately the Billion manual does not cover the configuration very well, so I will mention the key points here: - You need to connect the UTP cable, being connected to the Mikrotik WAN interface, to outlet 1 on the Billion - The DHCP Server must not be enabled on the Billion - The Billion WAN interface is PTM / Bridging - The Mikrotik WAN interface is DHCP Client Billion support were quite helpful in troubleshooting / assisting me to work this out. This has also generally been my experience with Billion which is one of the reasons that I use them. The iiNet supplied modem is a TG987, which is rubbish. Very home user oriented. Regards, Vaughan On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 2:03 PM, Greg McLennan <mclennan@internode.on.net> wrote:
I currently run a 2x Vigor 130's for work.(1 NBN line & other on an ADSL2+ line). One of which is only 100 meters from the FTTN. Sync speed is 103594/39121. Current Firmware 3.8.0_m4(yes there is a newer v3.8.1.2 available!!)..Attainable rate 104964/45377.
Unit SNR tweaking is available -> http://www.draytek.com/en/faq/faq-connectivity/connectivity. wan/how-to-adjust-adsl-snr-value-(for-vigor130/2760/2860-only)/
I run both units in Bridged mode(PPPoE Pass-through), and let a couple of Mikrotik Routers run PPPoE / NAT on the back-end..
I haven't run into any issues with the 130's in 9 months I've had them
Cheers Greg
----- Original Message ----- From: "MikroTik Australia Public List" To:"MikroTik Australia Public List" Cc: Sent:Mon, 19 Jun 2017 23:14:01 +1000 Subject:Re: [MT-AU Public] bridged modem and iinet NBN service
The vigor 130 does not run a Broadcom chipset so it looses about 10% sync speed.
I use NetComm nb10w in bridge mode. No issues with them
On 19 Jun 2017 9:48 PM, "Ben Jackson - eLogik" wrote:
Oh - and the Vigor 130 must be in bridge mode obviously ;)
Best regards,
Ben Jackson eLogik
(Sent from my mobile device)
On 19 Jun. 2017 13:45, "Ben Jackson - eLogik" wrote:
+1 for Vigor 130, been running for a number of months on a Telstra FTTN residential connection with RB2011 as DHCP client.
It's also possible to connect the original Telstra sagemcomm modem to the LAN (using it's WAN port) to register it as a Telstra VOIP only device with this setup.
Best regards,
Ben Jackson eLogik
(Sent from my mobile device)
On 19 Jun. 2017 07:39, "Damien Gardner Jnr" wrote:
Draytek Vigor130 works well, though has issues on short (> I'm told the latest firmware fixes this issue.
Telstra TG799vac works well.
Netcomm NF4V stay the hell away from ;) (When operating normally, they need a reboot every 12 hours or so. When operating in bridge mode, It randomly doesn't bridge unless you do PPPOE+Bridge, and then it doesn't start the bridge until the PPPOE is auth'd, so you burn TWO PPPOE logins (one on the NF4v, one on the 'tik)
Huawei HG658 works well, though annoyingly the interface you bridge to is taken out of the 'lan' bridge, so you have use a short cable to plug from (say) lan port 1 to 2, if you want to only use one port on your 'tik, and still have access to the 658's web interface.
On 19 June 2017 at 15:27, Mike Everest wrote:
Hi all!
I'm interested to hear any experiences using FTTN services bridged to LAN to present the service address directly to routerOS, for any ISP really, but in relation to modems supplied by iinet are most relevant for this case :-}
Any favourite modem hardware to use? Any known gotchas (e.g. dhcp lease at the head end) or limitations?
Any and all comments will be well received and very much appreciated! :-)
Thanks in advance, Regards Mike.
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Hi Mike, Have used the iiNet TG-1 in bridged mode with Telstra FTTN, found it ran perfectly well even though I couldn't clear the VLAN number from the configuration (from memory I think it forces you to set a VLAN tag, defaults at 10), I left it at VLAN10 and still worked fine with Telstra. Interestingly when dealing with Telstra level 2 support at one stage they could tell from their side I was using a iiNet TG-1 :-) Have since changed to a Telstra branded TG800vac running in bridge mode. Slight gotcha I found with the TG800 at least was that to change the LAN subnet from the default of 10.0.0.0/24 to something else like 10.1.1.0/24 you need to adjust that while in regular routed mode, then reconnect to the admin page on the new IP address and change it over to bridged mode. I add a management IP onto the outside ether1 interface of the Mikrotik so I can get to the bridge modem management on 10.1.1.1, and on the routerOS side I also allow it to answer NTP time queries and set the bridged modems NTP time server to the Mikrotik router management IP so that the bridge modem gets time sync, not essential though. Then I place another Telstra router (TG799vac) with the FTTN VoIP service configured on it downstream of the mikrotik, connecting into the WAN port on it, I set permanent remote assistance on the TG799 and lease it a reserved IP address from the Mikrotik so I can remotely get into the management page on the TG799vac also if need be.. the TG799 is then purely acting as a SIP gateway and I don't have to deal with it's flakiness at the core of my home network anymore (it was notorious for randomly no longer handing out DHCP leases on the LAN). The only other gotcha is that unfortunately with the TG800 there is no way to manually update the firmware like with the TG-1 while in bridge mode, unfortunately it has to seek it's update over the air from Telstra which it'll only do back in routed mode. Cheers, Chris On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 3:27 PM, Mike Everest <mike@duxtel.com> wrote:
Hi all!
I'm interested to hear any experiences using FTTN services bridged to LAN to present the service address directly to routerOS, for any ISP really, but in relation to modems supplied by iinet are most relevant for this case :-}
Any favourite modem hardware to use? Any known gotchas (e.g. dhcp lease at the head end) or limitations?
Any and all comments will be well received and very much appreciated! :-)
Thanks in advance, Regards Mike.
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Many thanks to all who have responded so far (and to anyone who is about to ;) Thanks Tom, Phil, Damien, Ben and Stephen - much obliged! That info will also be a useful resource in archives for others to come, too, I'm sure! :-) Regards, Mike.
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