I have a hAP Lite (RB941-2nD-TC). I went to upload an NPK file and found that I couldn't. scp fails with various errors, mostly "temporarily unavailable", and only about three-quarters of the file is copied. This is with a direct connection to a laptop. The same cable works fine with other MikroTiks, the problem happens with other cables, the problem happens on ports 2,3 and 4, and the problem persists after a configuration reset. The problem is completely repeatable. The connection is not a complete failure - I can for example log in to the device over a cable and configure it. It's a cheap device, so I don't want to spend too much time on it, but if this is a known issue with a quick fix it'd be nice :-) Regards, K. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Karl Auer (kauer@nullarbor.com.au) work +61 2 64957435 http://www.nullarbor.com.au mobile +61 428 957160 GPG fingerprint: 9FB6 C08F 91CB 5093 30EF 3E2F 8C94 EEBD 117C 4A10 Old fingerprint: CF68 0C56 EEE4 CC19 28D4 03B3 BCE0 E800 E31F 7254
Have you tried transferring the file via Winbox, or an upgrade server on your network? -----Original Message----- From: Public <public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au> On Behalf Of Karl Auer Sent: Monday, 9 August 2021 6:31 AM To: MikroTik Public <public@talk.mikrotik.com.au> Subject: [MT-AU Public] hAP Lite not hAP-pening... I have a hAP Lite (RB941-2nD-TC). I went to upload an NPK file and found that I couldn't. scp fails with various errors, mostly "temporarily unavailable", and only about three-quarters of the file is copied. This is with a direct connection to a laptop. The same cable works fine with other MikroTiks, the problem happens with other cables, the problem happens on ports 2,3 and 4, and the problem persists after a configuration reset. The problem is completely repeatable. The connection is not a complete failure - I can for example log in to the device over a cable and configure it. It's a cheap device, so I don't want to spend too much time on it, but if this is a known issue with a quick fix it'd be nice :-) Regards, K. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Karl Auer (kauer@nullarbor.com.au) work +61 2 64957435 https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nullarb... mobile +61 428 957160 GPG fingerprint: 9FB6 C08F 91CB 5093 30EF 3E2F 8C94 EEBD 117C 4A10 Old fingerprint: CF68 0C56 EEE4 CC19 28D4 03B3 BCE0 E800 E31F 7254 _______________________________________________ Public mailing list Public@talk.mikrotik.com.au https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftalk.mikrot...
Hi, Maybe some corruption on the flash disk. Try a NetInstall to refresh it. Andrew -----Original Message----- From: Public <public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au> On Behalf Of Karl Auer Sent: Monday, 9 August 2021 4:31 AM To: MikroTik Public <public@talk.mikrotik.com.au> Subject: [MT-AU Public] hAP Lite not hAP-pening... I have a hAP Lite (RB941-2nD-TC). I went to upload an NPK file and found that I couldn't. scp fails with various errors, mostly "temporarily unavailable", and only about three-quarters of the file is copied. This is with a direct connection to a laptop. The same cable works fine with other MikroTiks, the problem happens with other cables, the problem happens on ports 2,3 and 4, and the problem persists after a configuration reset. The problem is completely repeatable. The connection is not a complete failure - I can for example log in to the device over a cable and configure it. It's a cheap device, so I don't want to spend too much time on it, but if this is a known issue with a quick fix it'd be nice :-) Regards, K. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Karl Auer (kauer@nullarbor.com.au) work +61 2 64957435 http://www.nullarbor.com.au mobile +61 428 957160 GPG fingerprint: 9FB6 C08F 91CB 5093 30EF 3E2F 8C94 EEBD 117C 4A10 Old fingerprint: CF68 0C56 EEE4 CC19 28D4 03B3 BCE0 E800 E31F 7254 _______________________________________________ Public mailing list Public@talk.mikrotik.com.au http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk.mikrotik.com.au
Hi Karl, The hAP lite doesn’t have enough space to upgrade to newer RouterOS from a few of the 6.47.x versions. You can reinstall via NetInstall to 6.47.10 and apparently there is just enough space to go up from there. We only had two of them on our network and after arguing with them for a bit it was cheaper to swap them for hAP ac lites instead. As a bonus the hAP lites are good as test devices and an occasional net install for an upgrade is not an issue when it’s on my desk instead of a couple of hours away. Cheers, Andrew
On 9 Aug 2021, at 6:31 am, Karl Auer <kauer@nullarbor.com.au> wrote:
I have a hAP Lite (RB941-2nD-TC). I went to upload an NPK file and found that I couldn't. scp fails with various errors, mostly "temporarily unavailable", and only about three-quarters of the file is copied. This is with a direct connection to a laptop.
The same cable works fine with other MikroTiks, the problem happens with other cables, the problem happens on ports 2,3 and 4, and the problem persists after a configuration reset. The problem is completely repeatable. The connection is not a complete failure - I can for example log in to the device over a cable and configure it.
It's a cheap device, so I don't want to spend too much time on it, but if this is a known issue with a quick fix it'd be nice :-)
Regards, K.
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On Mon, 2021-08-09 at 13:37 +1000, Andrew Radke wrote:
The hAP lite doesn’t have enough space to upgrade to newer RouterOS
Thanks for that (and Mike too). Good to know. Anyway, the actual reason I was trying to upgrade, which I forgot in all the excitement, was that the hAP Lite is refusing to associate with another MikroTik. The other MT is configured as an AP, the hAP Lite is configured in station-pseudobridge mode. I thought maybe getting the hAP Lite up to date might help. I've used this configuration many times without issue, but never with the hAP Lite. So down the rabbit-hole I went. Regards, K. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Karl Auer (kauer@nullarbor.com.au) work +61 2 64957435 http://www.nullarbor.com.au mobile +61 428 957160 GPG fingerprint: 9FB6 C08F 91CB 5093 30EF 3E2F 8C94 EEBD 117C 4A10 Old fingerprint: CF68 0C56 EEE4 CC19 28D4 03B3 BCE0 E800 E31F 7254
Hi If the AP is not CAPSMAN you're always best off putting the client into Station Bridge mode. Alas CAPSMAN doesn't work properly with Station Bridge. I have a family member using a hAP-Mini as an AP and another as an extender in Station Bridge/AP mode. Works fine! Any reason you're using Pseudobridge? Regards, Jason Hecker <https://www.upandrunningtech.com.au/> <https://www.upandrunningtech.com.au/> On Mon, 9 Aug 2021, at 13:53, Karl Auer wrote:
On Mon, 2021-08-09 at 13:37 +1000, Andrew Radke wrote:
The hAP lite doesn’t have enough space to upgrade to newer RouterOS
Thanks for that (and Mike too).
Good to know.
Anyway, the actual reason I was trying to upgrade, which I forgot in all the excitement, was that the hAP Lite is refusing to associate with another MikroTik. The other MT is configured as an AP, the hAP Lite is configured in station-pseudobridge mode. I thought maybe getting the hAP Lite up to date might help. I've used this configuration many times without issue, but never with the hAP Lite.
So down the rabbit-hole I went.
Regards, K.
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Also I have found with Mikrotik's as stations 2 reasons they don't connect: * Wifi password is wrong. * Channels not aligning. Make sure the station channel is set to auto - sometimes it'll decide to pick a channel the AP is no longer on. The AP can be on a fixed channel or auto. Regards, Jason Hecker <https://www.upandrunningtech.com.au/> <https://www.upandrunningtech.com.au/> On Mon, 9 Aug 2021, at 13:53, Karl Auer wrote:
On Mon, 2021-08-09 at 13:37 +1000, Andrew Radke wrote:
The hAP lite doesn’t have enough space to upgrade to newer RouterOS
Thanks for that (and Mike too).
Good to know.
Anyway, the actual reason I was trying to upgrade, which I forgot in all the excitement, was that the hAP Lite is refusing to associate with another MikroTik. The other MT is configured as an AP, the hAP Lite is configured in station-pseudobridge mode. I thought maybe getting the hAP Lite up to date might help. I've used this configuration many times without issue, but never with the hAP Lite.
So down the rabbit-hole I went.
Regards, K.
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Although hAP-lite does not have sufficient storage for the upgrade image, you can use 'upload' button on files menu which stores the file in volatile mem (just make sure to reboot not power cycle to install it ;) or use 'check for upgrades' on system->packages page. Cheers! : )
-----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Andrew Radke Sent: Monday, 9 August 2021 1:38 PM To: kauer@nullarbor.com.au; MikroTik Australia Public List <public@talk.mikrotik.com.au> Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] hAP Lite not hAP-pening...
Hi Karl,
The hAP lite doesn’t have enough space to upgrade to newer RouterOS from a few of the 6.47.x versions. You can reinstall via NetInstall to 6.47.10 and apparently there is just enough space to go up from there.
We only had two of them on our network and after arguing with them for a bit it was cheaper to swap them for hAP ac lites instead. As a bonus the hAP lites are good as test devices and an occasional net install for an upgrade is not an issue when it’s on my desk instead of a couple of hours away.
Cheers, Andrew
On 9 Aug 2021, at 6:31 am, Karl Auer <kauer@nullarbor.com.au> wrote:
I have a hAP Lite (RB941-2nD-TC). I went to upload an NPK file and found that I couldn't. scp fails with various errors, mostly "temporarily unavailable", and only about three-quarters of the file is copied. This is with a direct connection to a laptop.
The same cable works fine with other MikroTiks, the problem happens with other cables, the problem happens on ports 2,3 and 4, and the problem persists after a configuration reset. The problem is completely repeatable. The connection is not a complete failure - I can for example log in to the device over a cable and configure it.
It's a cheap device, so I don't want to spend too much time on it, but if this is a known issue with a quick fix it'd be nice :-)
Regards, K.
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While that would normally be true it won’t work for hAP lites from some versions of RouterOS (particularly 6.47.9). Somewhere in the 6.47s the OS started using too much RAM to be able to leave enough space for the upgrade image. The official response from Mikrotik is to NetInstall and with luck from 6.47.10 it will again fit. As far as I saw the hAP lite was the only affected device so it must be a combination of CPU arch and memory size being just a little too small. Cheers, Andrew
On 10 Aug 2021, at 11:58 am, Mike Everest <mike@duxtel.com> wrote:
Although hAP-lite does not have sufficient storage for the upgrade image, you can use 'upload' button on files menu which stores the file in volatile mem (just make sure to reboot not power cycle to install it ;) or use 'check for upgrades' on system->packages page.
Cheers! : )
-----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Andrew Radke Sent: Monday, 9 August 2021 1:38 PM To: kauer@nullarbor.com.au; MikroTik Australia Public List <public@talk.mikrotik.com.au> Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] hAP Lite not hAP-pening...
Hi Karl,
The hAP lite doesn’t have enough space to upgrade to newer RouterOS from a few of the 6.47.x versions. You can reinstall via NetInstall to 6.47.10 and apparently there is just enough space to go up from there.
We only had two of them on our network and after arguing with them for a bit it was cheaper to swap them for hAP ac lites instead. As a bonus the hAP lites are good as test devices and an occasional net install for an upgrade is not an issue when it’s on my desk instead of a couple of hours away.
Cheers, Andrew
On 9 Aug 2021, at 6:31 am, Karl Auer <kauer@nullarbor.com.au> wrote:
I have a hAP Lite (RB941-2nD-TC). I went to upload an NPK file and found that I couldn't. scp fails with various errors, mostly "temporarily unavailable", and only about three-quarters of the file is copied. This is with a direct connection to a laptop.
The same cable works fine with other MikroTiks, the problem happens with other cables, the problem happens on ports 2,3 and 4, and the problem persists after a configuration reset. The problem is completely repeatable. The connection is not a complete failure - I can for example log in to the device over a cable and configure it.
It's a cheap device, so I don't want to spend too much time on it, but if this is a known issue with a quick fix it'd be nice :-)
Regards, K.
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Surely that would apply to all SMIPS devices?! I wonder how they will squeeze ROS7 in given no packages can be uninstalled (yet). Regards, Jason Hecker <https://www.upandrunningtech.com.au/> <https://www.upandrunningtech.com.au/> On Tue, 10 Aug 2021, at 13:59, Andrew Radke wrote:
While that would normally be true it won’t work for hAP lites from some versions of RouterOS (particularly 6.47.9). Somewhere in the 6.47s the OS started using too much RAM to be able to leave enough space for the upgrade image.
The official response from Mikrotik is to NetInstall and with luck from 6.47.10 it will again fit.
As far as I saw the hAP lite was the only affected device so it must be a combination of CPU arch and memory size being just a little too small.
The Mikrotik download page only lists hAP mini and hAP lite under SMIPS so I’m guessing they both have this limitation. Maybe they will both be marked as obsolete? Or maybe Mikrotik will just make a release of RouterOS for these that’s short a couple of base packages to save space. Regards, Andrew
On 10 Aug 2021, at 2:07 pm, Jason Hecker <jason@upandrunningtech.com.au> wrote:
Surely that would apply to all SMIPS devices?! I wonder how they will squeeze ROS7 in given no packages can be uninstalled (yet).
Regards, Jason Hecker <https://www.upandrunningtech.com.au/> <https://www.upandrunningtech.com.au/>
On Tue, 10 Aug 2021, at 13:59, Andrew Radke wrote:
While that would normally be true it won’t work for hAP lites from some versions of RouterOS (particularly 6.47.9). Somewhere in the 6.47s the OS started using too much RAM to be able to leave enough space for the upgrade image.
The official response from Mikrotik is to NetInstall and with luck from 6.47.10 it will again fit.
As far as I saw the hAP lite was the only affected device so it must be a combination of CPU arch and memory size being just a little too small.
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Hi, Mikrotik fixed something in 6.47.10, so they can be upgraded normally from that version. There was an issue with 6.47.9 which could under some circumstances cause it to use more flash than it should have, so it was not upgradeable normally. They issued a special fix for that issue. Only really needed if you have some that are remote, which makes netinstall non viable. https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=175735&sid=fb04b93373103d206fcb6695c0b3e1cd#p861577 Regards Roger Forwarded by: <rplant@melbpc.org.au> From: Andrew Radke <andrew@deepport.net> Date sent: Wed, 11 Aug 2021 09:03:48 +1000 To: MikroTik Australia Public List <public@talk.mikrotik.com.au> Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] hAP Lite not hAP-pening... Send reply to: MikroTik Australia Public List <public@talk.mikrotik.com.au> [ Double-click this line for list subscription options ] The Mikrotik download page only lists hAP mini and hAP lite under SMIPS so I´m guessing they both have this limitation. Maybe they will both be marked as obsolete? Or maybe Mikrotik will just make a release of RouterOS for these that´s short a couple of base packages to save space. Regards, Andrew
On 10 Aug 2021, at 2:07 pm, Jason Hecker <jason@upandrunningtech.com.au> wrote:
Surely that would apply to all SMIPS devices?! I wonder how they will squeeze ROS7 in given no packages can be uninstalled (yet).
Regards, Jason Hecker <https://www.upandrunningtech.com.au/> <https://www.upandrunningtech.com.au/>
On Tue, 10 Aug 2021, at 13:59, Andrew Radke wrote:
While that would normally be true it won´t work for hAP lites from some versions of RouterOS (particularly 6.47.9). Somewhere in the 6.47s the OS started using too much RAM to be able to leave enough space for the upgrade image.
The official response from Mikrotik is to NetInstall and with luck from 6.47.10 it will again fit.
As far as I saw the hAP lite was the only affected device so it must be a combination of CPU arch and memory size being just a little too small.
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