Hi All, Rare that I would want to resort to powerline devices, (power over ethernet). Mikrotik has just released a product that may or may not make it to Australia. In the meantime, I have a 2 bedroom unit built like a bunker that needs wifi access at the rear. Client has been successfully using EOP for one section of the unit so I’ve plugged in one of the pairs of the EOP devices to test various power outlets and it gets a green light wherever we need wifi so I’m thinking I might find a device that does EOP with built 2.4 for this job. Simple requirements, most demanding task will be steaming video. I don’t want to piggyback an AP on the EOP unit as one of them will sit in a hallway and look rather messy. No option to run cat cable here due to strata laws and building design. Another option is mesh I guess. Thoughts? Any recommendations on an EOP unit with built in wifi? Matt
Steer way clear of powerline stuff Matt, from bitter experience. You're better off meshing access points, have had great success with ubiquiti's wireless uplink feature, can't speak for Mikrotik in this regard. On Fri., 19 Jul. 2019, 1:21 am Matt Hall, <matt@screamsaver.net> wrote:
Hi All, Rare that I would want to resort to powerline devices, (power over ethernet). Mikrotik has just released a product that may or may not make it to Australia. In the meantime, I have a 2 bedroom unit built like a bunker that needs wifi access at the rear. Client has been successfully using EOP for one section of the unit so I’ve plugged in one of the pairs of the EOP devices to test various power outlets and it gets a green light wherever we need wifi so I’m thinking I might find a device that does EOP with built 2.4 for this job.
Simple requirements, most demanding task will be steaming video.
I don’t want to piggyback an AP on the EOP unit as one of them will sit in a hallway and look rather messy.
No option to run cat cable here due to strata laws and building design. Another option is mesh I guess.
Thoughts? Any recommendations on an EOP unit with built in wifi?
Matt
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Power line has come a long way & has its use cases. Matt’s use case sounds bang on. Dave Browning | dlbNetworks Senior Network Engineer
On 19 Jul 2019, at 7:32 am, Ben Jackson - ELOGIK <ben@elogik.net> wrote:
Steer way clear of powerline stuff Matt, from bitter experience.
You're better off meshing access points, have had great success with ubiquiti's wireless uplink feature, can't speak for Mikrotik in this regard.
On Fri., 19 Jul. 2019, 1:21 am Matt Hall, <matt@screamsaver.net> wrote:
Hi All, Rare that I would want to resort to powerline devices, (power over ethernet). Mikrotik has just released a product that may or may not make it to Australia. In the meantime, I have a 2 bedroom unit built like a bunker that needs wifi access at the rear. Client has been successfully using EOP for one section of the unit so I’ve plugged in one of the pairs of the EOP devices to test various power outlets and it gets a green light wherever we need wifi so I’m thinking I might find a device that does EOP with built 2.4 for this job.
Simple requirements, most demanding task will be steaming video.
I don’t want to piggyback an AP on the EOP unit as one of them will sit in a hallway and look rather messy.
No option to run cat cable here due to strata laws and building design. Another option is mesh I guess.
Thoughts? Any recommendations on an EOP unit with built in wifi?
Matt
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Hi Dave, Perhaps you are aware of some powerline devices I'm not familiar with? I'd be happy for you to educate me if so. I've had nothing but trouble with reliability of such devices and considering the cost of a truck roll, I'd prefer to stick to something that works at a lower throughput but stays working. There's also a case for a low power 802.11 P2P connection here too. Ben On Fri., 19 Jul. 2019, 8:44 am Dave Browning, <dave@dlbnetworks.com> wrote:
Power line has come a long way & has its use cases. Matt’s use case sounds bang on.
Dave Browning | dlbNetworks Senior Network Engineer
On 19 Jul 2019, at 7:32 am, Ben Jackson - ELOGIK <ben@elogik.net> wrote:
Steer way clear of powerline stuff Matt, from bitter experience.
You're better off meshing access points, have had great success with ubiquiti's wireless uplink feature, can't speak for Mikrotik in this regard.
On Fri., 19 Jul. 2019, 1:21 am Matt Hall, <matt@screamsaver.net> wrote:
Hi All, Rare that I would want to resort to powerline devices, (power over ethernet). Mikrotik has just released a product that may or may not make it to Australia. In the meantime, I have a 2 bedroom unit built like a bunker that needs wifi access at the rear. Client has been successfully using EOP for one section of the unit so I’ve plugged in one of the pairs of the EOP devices to test various power outlets and it gets a green light wherever we need wifi so I’m thinking I might find a device that does EOP with built 2.4 for this job.
Simple requirements, most demanding task will be steaming video.
I don’t want to piggyback an AP on the EOP unit as one of them will sit in a hallway and look rather messy.
No option to run cat cable here due to strata laws and building design. Another option is mesh I guess.
Thoughts? Any recommendations on an EOP unit with built in wifi?
Matt
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In all honesty, I setup a pair of TPLink's for the in-laws about 5 or so years ago. I haven't heard a peep about it being a problem since setup. Heavy Netflix usage etc. Relatively new house, so the cabling is in good nick - I think that's the key with this stuff. Cheers, Dave Browning | dlbNetworks Senior Network Engineer On 19/07/2019 8:51 am, Ben Jackson - ELOGIK wrote:
Hi Dave,
Perhaps you are aware of some powerline devices I'm not familiar with?
I'd be happy for you to educate me if so. I've had nothing but trouble with reliability of such devices and considering the cost of a truck roll, I'd prefer to stick to something that works at a lower throughput but stays working.
There's also a case for a low power 802.11 P2P connection here too.
Ben
On Fri., 19 Jul. 2019, 8:44 am Dave Browning, <dave@dlbnetworks.com> wrote:
Power line has come a long way & has its use cases. Matt’s use case sounds bang on.
Dave Browning | dlbNetworks Senior Network Engineer
On 19 Jul 2019, at 7:32 am, Ben Jackson - ELOGIK <ben@elogik.net> wrote:
Steer way clear of powerline stuff Matt, from bitter experience.
You're better off meshing access points, have had great success with ubiquiti's wireless uplink feature, can't speak for Mikrotik in this regard.
On Fri., 19 Jul. 2019, 1:21 am Matt Hall, <matt@screamsaver.net> wrote:
Hi All, Rare that I would want to resort to powerline devices, (power over ethernet). Mikrotik has just released a product that may or may not make it to Australia. In the meantime, I have a 2 bedroom unit built like a bunker that needs wifi access at the rear. Client has been successfully using EOP for one section of the unit so I’ve plugged in one of the pairs of the EOP devices to test various power outlets and it gets a green light wherever we need wifi so I’m thinking I might find a device that does EOP with built 2.4 for this job.
Simple requirements, most demanding task will be steaming video.
I don’t want to piggyback an AP on the EOP unit as one of them will sit in a hallway and look rather messy.
No option to run cat cable here due to strata laws and building design. Another option is mesh I guess.
Thoughts? Any recommendations on an EOP unit with built in wifi?
Matt
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I've used Powerline for my parents place. In 2012, it wasn't that great, always dropping out, issues staying connected. More recently, I've updated them with newer TP-Link stuff. Had a lot less issues with newer equipment, although I always make sure to buy two sets, you don't want to be left in the lurch because they fail! Ben -----Original Message----- From: Public <public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au> On Behalf Of Dave Browning Sent: Friday, 19 July 2019 08:56 To: public@talk.mikrotik.com.au Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] Powerline/ EOP In all honesty, I setup a pair of TPLink's for the in-laws about 5 or so years ago. I haven't heard a peep about it being a problem since setup. Heavy Netflix usage etc. Relatively new house, so the cabling is in good nick - I think that's the key with this stuff. Cheers, Dave Browning | dlbNetworks Senior Network Engineer On 19/07/2019 8:51 am, Ben Jackson - ELOGIK wrote:
Hi Dave,
Perhaps you are aware of some powerline devices I'm not familiar with?
I'd be happy for you to educate me if so. I've had nothing but trouble with reliability of such devices and considering the cost of a truck roll, I'd prefer to stick to something that works at a lower throughput but stays working.
There's also a case for a low power 802.11 P2P connection here too.
Ben
On Fri., 19 Jul. 2019, 8:44 am Dave Browning, <dave@dlbnetworks.com> wrote:
Power line has come a long way & has its use cases. Matt’s use case sounds bang on.
Dave Browning | dlbNetworks Senior Network Engineer
On 19 Jul 2019, at 7:32 am, Ben Jackson - ELOGIK <ben@elogik.net> wrote:
Steer way clear of powerline stuff Matt, from bitter experience.
You're better off meshing access points, have had great success with ubiquiti's wireless uplink feature, can't speak for Mikrotik in this regard.
On Fri., 19 Jul. 2019, 1:21 am Matt Hall, <matt@screamsaver.net> wrote:
Hi All, Rare that I would want to resort to powerline devices, (power over ethernet). Mikrotik has just released a product that may or may not make it to Australia. In the meantime, I have a 2 bedroom unit built like a bunker that needs wifi access at the rear. Client has been successfully using EOP for one section of the unit so I’ve plugged in one of the pairs of the EOP devices to test various power outlets and it gets a green light wherever we need wifi so I’m thinking I might find a device that does EOP with built 2.4 for this job.
Simple requirements, most demanding task will be steaming video.
I don’t want to piggyback an AP on the EOP unit as one of them will sit in a hallway and look rather messy.
No option to run cat cable here due to strata laws and building design. Another option is mesh I guess.
Thoughts? Any recommendations on an EOP unit with built in wifi?
Matt
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Dave, you must really not like your in-laws ;) In all seriousness, I wouldn't use these awful things in any scenario, there's always a better option IMO. I have about 20 pairs which I've removed from customer sites, perhaps with the level of interest on this mailing list I'd do well to chuck them on eBay instead of in the dumpster 😁 On Fri., 19 Jul. 2019, 9:03 am Ben Farmer, <ben.farmer@gigafy.co> wrote:
I've used Powerline for my parents place. In 2012, it wasn't that great, always dropping out, issues staying connected.
More recently, I've updated them with newer TP-Link stuff. Had a lot less issues with newer equipment, although I always make sure to buy two sets, you don't want to be left in the lurch because they fail!
Ben
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In all honesty, I setup a pair of TPLink's for the in-laws about 5 or so years ago. I haven't heard a peep about it being a problem since setup. Heavy Netflix usage etc. Relatively new house, so the cabling is in good nick - I think that's the key with this stuff.
Cheers,
Dave Browning | dlbNetworks Senior Network Engineer
On 19/07/2019 8:51 am, Ben Jackson - ELOGIK wrote:
Hi Dave,
Perhaps you are aware of some powerline devices I'm not familiar with?
I'd be happy for you to educate me if so. I've had nothing but trouble with reliability of such devices and considering the cost of a truck roll, I'd prefer to stick to something that works at a lower throughput but stays working.
There's also a case for a low power 802.11 P2P connection here too.
Ben
On Fri., 19 Jul. 2019, 8:44 am Dave Browning, <dave@dlbnetworks.com> wrote:
Power line has come a long way & has its use cases. Matt’s use case sounds bang on.
Dave Browning | dlbNetworks Senior Network Engineer
On 19 Jul 2019, at 7:32 am, Ben Jackson - ELOGIK <ben@elogik.net> wrote:
Steer way clear of powerline stuff Matt, from bitter experience.
You're better off meshing access points, have had great success with ubiquiti's wireless uplink feature, can't speak for Mikrotik in this regard.
On Fri., 19 Jul. 2019, 1:21 am Matt Hall, <matt@screamsaver.net> wrote:
Hi All, Rare that I would want to resort to powerline devices, (power over ethernet). Mikrotik has just released a product that may or may not make it to Australia. In the meantime, I have a 2 bedroom unit built like a bunker that needs wifi access at the rear. Client has been successfully using EOP for one section of the unit so I’ve plugged in one of the pairs of the EOP devices to test various power outlets and it gets a green light wherever we need wifi so I’m thinking I might find a device that does EOP with built 2.4 for this job.
Simple requirements, most demanding task will be steaming video.
I don’t want to piggyback an AP on the EOP unit as one of them will sit in a hallway and look rather messy.
No option to run cat cable here due to strata laws and building design. Another option is mesh I guess.
Thoughts? Any recommendations on an EOP unit with built in wifi?
Matt
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I agree, EoP stuff is the 2nd last of last resorts, just above wet string. That said... if you must get a version that does the latest standards and make sure you plug each end direct into the power socket - powerboards and their surge suppressors mess with the quality of the signal. Also make sure the units are on the same circuit for the best results. That said - if the requirements are only to support low NBN speeds (25/5) the EoP might be just fine even with a 'red' signal quality. You can do your own meshing or relaying with Mikrotik. I have used WDS with great success on a few sites where I couldn't use any ethernet cable. Mikrotik should soon release their own range of meshing Wifi units soon too. An alternative to WDS is using the relay mode where one or more units has an AP on one wlan interface and a station on another virtual interface all using the same SSID. See https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Interface/Wireless#Repeater Using it on a HapAC or HapAC2 or CAPAC with the WDS or relay on 5GHz might work out really well. If you use 2.4GHz stick to 20MHz channel width. I can't suggest any integrated units - Netcomm used to make some nasty ones. ;) On Fri, 19 Jul 2019, at 01:22, Matt Hall wrote:
Hi All, Rare that I would want to resort to powerline devices, (power over ethernet). Mikrotik has just released a product that may or may not make it to Australia. In the meantime, I have a 2 bedroom unit built like a bunker that needs wifi access at the rear. Client has been successfully using EOP for one section of the unit so I’ve plugged in one of the pairs of the EOP devices to test various power outlets and it gets a green light wherever we need wifi so I’m thinking I might find a device that does EOP with built 2.4 for this job.
Simple requirements, most demanding task will be steaming video.
I don’t want to piggyback an AP on the EOP unit as one of them will sit in a hallway and look rather messy.
No option to run cat cable here due to strata laws and building design. Another option is mesh I guess.
Thoughts? Any recommendations on an EOP unit with built in wifi?
Matt
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Regards, Jason Hecker <https://www.upandrunningtech.com.au/> <https://www.upandrunningtech.com.au/>
For those who are wondering, MikroTik do not (yet? Ever?) produce their powerline product with AU plug pins, so at this stage highly unlikely to arrive in AU any time soon :-J Cheers! Mike.
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Hi All, Rare that I would want to resort to powerline devices, (power over ethernet). Mikrotik has just released a product that may or may not make it to Australia. In the meantime, I have a 2 bedroom unit built like a bunker that needs wifi access at the rear. Client has been successfully using EOP for one section of the unit so I’ve plugged in one of the pairs of the EOP devices to test various power outlets and it gets a green light wherever we need wifi so I’m thinking I might find a device that does EOP with built 2.4 for this job.
Simple requirements, most demanding task will be steaming video.
I don’t want to piggyback an AP on the EOP unit as one of them will sit in a hallway and look rather messy.
No option to run cat cable here due to strata laws and building design. Another option is mesh I guess.
Thoughts? Any recommendations on an EOP unit with built in wifi?
Matt
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