Hullo all. A client is about to change NBN suppliers, and the new supplier apparently does IP-over-Ethernet (IPoE).
From what I can find out about this, it should be pretty much as simple as "connect port 1 on the Mikrotik to the correct data port on the NTD". And, I guess, make sure there is a DHCP client on port 1 and turn off the existing PPPoE stuff. However there are mentions of having to set up the Mikrotik to send DHCP option 60 with its DHCP requests.
Has anyone used a Mikrotik with the NBN and IPoE, and if so are there any tricks? Regards, K. PS: I haven't seen any messages on this list for it seems like yonks... though there was a mailing list reminder on 1/9. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Karl Auer (kauer@nullarbor.com.au) work +61 2 64957435 http://www.nullarbor.com.au mobile +61 428 957160
Hi Karl, We do this to good effect with NBN Enterprise Ethernet through a CCR2004. You can add DHCP options through the CLI at the very least, likely in the GUI too. Cheers, Luke On 26/9/2022 5:08 pm, Karl Auer wrote:
Hullo all.
A client is about to change NBN suppliers, and the new supplier apparently does IP-over-Ethernet (IPoE).
From what I can find out about this, it should be pretty much as simple as "connect port 1 on the Mikrotik to the correct data port on the NTD". And, I guess, make sure there is a DHCP client on port 1 and turn off the existing PPPoE stuff. However there are mentions of having to set up the Mikrotik to send DHCP option 60 with its DHCP requests.
Has anyone used a Mikrotik with the NBN and IPoE, and if so are there any tricks?
Regards, K.
PS: I haven't seen any messages on this list for it seems like yonks... though there was a mailing list reminder on 1/9.
On Mon, 2022-09-26 at 17:20 +1000, Luke Thompson wrote:
We do this to good effect with NBN Enterprise Ethernet through a CCR2004.
Thanks Luke (and for proving there's life in the list yet). So in your case, there is no need for anything special? Just plug it in and your router gets an address via DHCP?
You can add DHCP options through the CLI at the very least, likely in the GUI too.
Adding them should be no problem, it's knowing what to add :-) Do you need to set up any special DHCP options in your case? One think I thunk was whether the address that my router gets is going to be the Internet-visible outside address of my network. Thanks, K. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Karl Auer (kauer@nullarbor.com.au) work +61 2 64957435 http://www.nullarbor.com.au mobile +61 428 957160 GPG fingerprint: 9FB6 C08F 91CB 5093 30EF 3E2F 8C94 EEBD 117C 4A10 Old fingerprint: CF68 0C56 EEE4 CC19 28D4 03B3 BCE0 E800 E31F 7254
No worries. It was plug-and-play with a DHCP client on the fibre slot. Just double-checked the config, there's nothing fancy configured against it. ABB say this in the service handover - ie. they don't say much: /"If you are configuring your own equipment, Aussie Broadband NBN TC4, TC2 and NBN Enterprise Ethernet services are configured using DHCP, IPoE or Dynamic IP. You should be able to select one of these options under quick setup or setup wizard."/ As for the lease, yes - we get the WAN IP via DHCP. :-) Cheers, Luke On 26/9/2022 5:35 pm, Karl Auer wrote:
On Mon, 2022-09-26 at 17:20 +1000, Luke Thompson wrote:
We do this to good effect with NBN Enterprise Ethernet through a CCR2004. Thanks Luke (and for proving there's life in the list yet).
So in your case, there is no need for anything special? Just plug it in and your router gets an address via DHCP?
You can add DHCP options through the CLI at the very least, likely in the GUI too. Adding them should be no problem, it's knowing what to add :-) Do you need to set up any special DHCP options in your case?
One think I thunk was whether the address that my router gets is going to be the Internet-visible outside address of my network.
Thanks, K.
Hullo Karl, I've used CCR1009 routers (on v6 and v7) with NBN HFC services using IPoE just by "plugging-and-playing", of course with a DHCP client on the interface. Even seamlessly changed RSPs with the router automagically working with the new RSP, no re-config required. TL:DR; disable PPPoE and config a DHCP client on the interface, and it'll work just fine. - CH -----Original Message----- From: Public <public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au> On Behalf Of Karl Auer Sent: Monday, 26 September 2022 5:08 PM To: MikroTik Public <public@talk.mikrotik.com.au> Subject: [MT-AU Public] Mikrotik as NBN router? Hullo all. A client is about to change NBN suppliers, and the new supplier apparently does IP-over-Ethernet (IPoE).
From what I can find out about this, it should be pretty much as simple as "connect port 1 on the Mikrotik to the correct data port on the NTD". And, I guess, make sure there is a DHCP client on port 1 and turn off the existing PPPoE stuff. However there are mentions of having to set up the Mikrotik to send DHCP option 60 with its DHCP requests.
Has anyone used a Mikrotik with the NBN and IPoE, and if so are there any tricks? Regards, K. PS: I haven't seen any messages on this list for it seems like yonks... though there was a mailing list reminder on 1/9. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Karl Auer (kauer@nullarbor.com.au) work +61 2 64957435 http://www.nullarbor.com.au mobile +61 428 957160 _______________________________________________ Public mailing list Public@talk.mikrotik.com.au http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk.mikrotik.com.au
On Mon, 2022-09-26 at 17:27 +1000, Christopher Hawker wrote:
TL:DR; disable PPPoE and config a DHCP client on the interface, and it'll work just fine.
Thanks Christopher. Thanks to you and Luke I am feeling very encouraged :-) Regards, K. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Karl Auer (kauer@nullarbor.com.au) work +61 2 64957435 http://www.nullarbor.com.au mobile +61 428 957160 GPG fingerprint: 9FB6 C08F 91CB 5093 30EF 3E2F 8C94 EEBD 117C 4A10 Old fingerprint: CF68 0C56 EEE4 CC19 28D4 03B3 BCE0 E800 E31F 7254
Hi Karl, The NBN NTD will transparently insert DHCP option 82 (AVC ID) which the RSP will use for Authentication. It should be plug and play for you with a DHCP client on the appropriate interface. Cheers, Tim On Mon, Sep 26, 2022 at 5:15 PM Karl Auer <kauer@nullarbor.com.au> wrote:
Hullo all.
A client is about to change NBN suppliers, and the new supplier apparently does IP-over-Ethernet (IPoE).
From what I can find out about this, it should be pretty much as simple as "connect port 1 on the Mikrotik to the correct data port on the NTD". And, I guess, make sure there is a DHCP client on port 1 and turn off the existing PPPoE stuff. However there are mentions of having to set up the Mikrotik to send DHCP option 60 with its DHCP requests.
Has anyone used a Mikrotik with the NBN and IPoE, and if so are there any tricks?
Regards, K.
PS: I haven't seen any messages on this list for it seems like yonks... though there was a mailing list reminder on 1/9.
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On Mon, 2022-09-26 at 17:33 +1000, Tim Jones wrote:
It should be plug and play for you with a DHCP client on the appropriate interface.
The good news keeps coming. Thanks Tim, thanks Paul, thanks Jason :-) Regards, K. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Karl Auer (kauer@nullarbor.com.au) work +61 2 64957435 http://www.nullarbor.com.au mobile +61 428 957160 GPG fingerprint: 9FB6 C08F 91CB 5093 30EF 3E2F 8C94 EEBD 117C 4A10 Old fingerprint: CF68 0C56 EEE4 CC19 28D4 03B3 BCE0 E800 E31F 7254
Hi Quite a few providers like AussieBB and Telstra use IPoE which you just need a DHCP client for. Option 60 is interesting and I have never seen it. https://www.juniper.net/documentation/en_US/junose15.1/topics/concept/dhcp-r... What do you need to set in the option 60 field, do they tell you? Regards, Jason Hecker <https://www.upandrunningtech.com.au/> <https://www.upandrunningtech.com.au/> On Mon, 26 Sep 2022, at 17:08, Karl Auer wrote:
Hullo all.
A client is about to change NBN suppliers, and the new supplier apparently does IP-over-Ethernet (IPoE).
From what I can find out about this, it should be pretty much as simple as "connect port 1 on the Mikrotik to the correct data port on the NTD". And, I guess, make sure there is a DHCP client on port 1 and turn off the existing PPPoE stuff. However there are mentions of having to set up the Mikrotik to send DHCP option 60 with its DHCP requests.
Has anyone used a Mikrotik with the NBN and IPoE, and if so are there any tricks?
Regards, K.
PS: I haven't seen any messages on this list for it seems like yonks... though there was a mailing list reminder on 1/9.
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On Mon, 2022-09-26 at 17:34 +1000, Jason Hecker wrote:
Quite a few providers like AussieBB and Telstra use IPoE which you just need a DHCP client for. Option 60 is interesting and I have never seen it.
Good.
What do you need to set in the option 60 field, do they tell you?
No, there is no info on it (which suggests it isn't needed). Regards, K. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Karl Auer (kauer@nullarbor.com.au) work +61 2 64957435 http://www.nullarbor.com.au mobile +61 428 957160
I have used RB2011 on IPoE HFC from 2017 at my old premises with MyRepublic. Moving to my new house in 2019, I've used RB1100x4D and CCR1016's on both Superloop and ABB IPoE FTTP. Also had success with my grandparents on Telstra IPoE / FTTC and my old man with Foxtel (IPoE) FTTC. No special configuration needed. Out of the box config from ROS works fine, with its DHCP client enabled on ether1. Config @ Home: [mjunek@ccr1016] > /ip dhcp-client export # sep/26/2022 18:07:58 by RouterOS 6.49.6 # software id = XXXX-XXXX # # model = CCR1016-12G # serial number = xxxxx /ip dhcp-client add disabled=no interface=Bond2.3-AussieBroadband use-peer-dns=no use-peer-ntp=no [mjunek@ccr1016] > I use my own internal DNS which is why I don't accept the DHCP DNS. Also using IPv6-PD with ABB with success as well. -----Original Message----- From: Public <public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au> On Behalf Of Karl Auer Sent: Monday, 26 September 2022 17:51 To: MikroTik Australia Public List <public@talk.mikrotik.com.au> Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] Mikrotik as NBN router? On Mon, 2022-09-26 at 17:34 +1000, Jason Hecker wrote:
Quite a few providers like AussieBB and Telstra use IPoE which you just need a DHCP client for. Option 60 is interesting and I have never seen it.
Good.
What do you need to set in the option 60 field, do they tell you?
No, there is no info on it (which suggests it isn't needed). Regards, K. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Karl Auer (kauer@nullarbor.com.au) work +61 2 64957435 http://www.nullarbor.com.au mobile +61 428 957160 _______________________________________________ Public mailing list Public@talk.mikrotik.com.au http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk.mikrotik.com.au
I have used RB2011, RB3011 and the RB750Gr3 (hEX) with IPoE for Optus and my Superloop connection at home, nothing fancier than setting a DHCP Client on your WAN port of choice (Default is most commonly ether1) but you can configure it to whichever port you like as long as you remove it from the default bridge. Kind Regards, Jim On 26-09-2022 18:09, Michael Junek wrote:
I have used RB2011 on IPoE HFC from 2017 at my old premises with MyRepublic. Moving to my new house in 2019, I've used RB1100x4D and CCR1016's on both Superloop and ABB IPoE FTTP. Also had success with my grandparents on Telstra IPoE / FTTC and my old man with Foxtel (IPoE) FTTC.
No special configuration needed. Out of the box config from ROS works fine, with its DHCP client enabled on ether1.
Config @ Home:
[mjunek@ccr1016] > /ip dhcp-client export # sep/26/2022 18:07:58 by RouterOS 6.49.6 # software id = XXXX-XXXX # # model = CCR1016-12G # serial number = xxxxx /ip dhcp-client add disabled=no interface=Bond2.3-AussieBroadband use-peer-dns=no use-peer-ntp=no [mjunek@ccr1016] >
I use my own internal DNS which is why I don't accept the DHCP DNS.
Also using IPv6-PD with ABB with success as well.
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On Mon, 2022-09-26 at 17:34 +1000, Jason Hecker wrote:
Quite a few providers like AussieBB and Telstra use IPoE which you just need a DHCP client for. Option 60 is interesting and I have never seen it.
Good.
What do you need to set in the option 60 field, do they tell you?
No, there is no info on it (which suggests it isn't needed).
Regards, K.
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