In case anyone has issues activating the higher level of licenses on AWS, they have a problem which is listed as a bug. The only license level on AWS CHR is the free level for now
Hi Patrick, all... Comment from MT in response to my questions about it:
Currently licenses for CHR are not available for purchase. At the moment you can get any level license for CHR in 60-day trial mode. Just follow the steps of how to get the license in our wiki - http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:CHR#Getting_the_License
Note that there are no license count limitation for the account.
-----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Patrick Sayer Sent: Thursday, 24 December 2015 1:50 PM To: public@talk.mikrotik.com.au Subject: [MT-AU Public] AWS CHR licenses
In case anyone has issues activating the higher level of licenses on AWS,
Seems to be something different than my initial interpretation of their official statement that "full versions of CHR have been released" :-D Possibly they have not yet figured out how to create license without capability to copy VM (licence-and-all) to another instance yet ;) Cheers! Mike. they
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I'm sure they could do what most of the pay-per-month licensed software that ISP's currently use does - lock it to IP address or MAC address, or the like :) Things like WHMCS and Centovacast do that, and it works quite well (though centovacast COMPLETELY shuts down if it detects a MAC address change - which is seriously annoying. At least WHMCS leaves the customer side up, and just stops the admins from using it until the licnese is reissued) Actually sorry to go off on a tangent, but MAC addresses caused me a huge issue when I went to move my RouterOS VM to a new xenserver head last month (Sold my business, so was moving all my personal VM's to a new crazy big xenserver box I built up) - if the MAC address of an interface changes, is there a way to tell RouterOS that it's that same interface? My ether1-ether4 dissappeared, and I magically had ether5-ether8 after moving the VM - as the fastest way to 'move' was shut all VM's down and push them across the network with xenmigrate.pl, which generates new MAC addresses as it goes. I ended up just resetting the config and starting from scratch, but would be nice to know if you can 'reassign' an interface to what looks to be a new physical adapter' if I ever hit it again.. :) On 28 December 2015 at 12:55, Mike Everest <mike@duxtel.com> wrote:
Hi Patrick, all...
Comment from MT in response to my questions about it:
Currently licenses for CHR are not available for purchase. At the moment you can get any level license for CHR in 60-day trial mode. Just follow the steps of how to get the license in our wiki - http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:CHR#Getting_the_License
Note that there are no license count limitation for the account.
Seems to be something different than my initial interpretation of their official statement that "full versions of CHR have been released" :-D
Possibly they have not yet figured out how to create license without capability to copy VM (licence-and-all) to another instance yet ;)
Cheers!
Mike.
-----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Patrick Sayer Sent: Thursday, 24 December 2015 1:50 PM To: public@talk.mikrotik.com.au Subject: [MT-AU Public] AWS CHR licenses
In case anyone has issues activating the higher level of licenses on AWS, they have a problem which is listed as a bug. The only license level on AWS CHR is the free level for now _______________________________________________ Public mailing list Public@talk.mikrotik.com.au http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk.mikrotik.com.au
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-----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Damien Gardner Jnr Sent: Monday, 28 December 2015 1:03 PM To: MikroTik Australia Public List <public@talk.mikrotik.com.au> Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] AWS CHR licenses
I'm sure they could do what most of the pay-per-month licensed software that ISP's currently use does - lock it to IP address or MAC address, or
:) Things like WHMCS and Centovacast do that, and it works quite well (though centovacast COMPLETELY shuts down if it detects a MAC address change - which is seriously annoying. At least WHMCS leaves the customer side up, and just stops the admins from using it until the licnese is reissued)
Actually sorry to go off on a tangent, but MAC addresses caused me a huge issue when I went to move my RouterOS VM to a new xenserver head last month (Sold my business, so was moving all my personal VM's to a new crazy big xenserver box I built up) - if the MAC address of an interface changes, is there a way to tell RouterOS that it's that same interface? My ether1-ether4 dissappeared, and I magically had ether5-ether8 after moving the VM - as the fastest way to 'move' was shut all VM's down and push
across the network with xenmigrate.pl, which generates new MAC addresses as it goes.
I ended up just resetting the config and starting from scratch, but would be nice to know if you can 'reassign' an interface to what looks to be a new physical adapter' if I ever hit it again.. :)
On 28 December 2015 at 12:55, Mike Everest <mike@duxtel.com> wrote:
Hi Patrick, all...
Comment from MT in response to my questions about it:
Currently licenses for CHR are not available for purchase. At the moment you can get any level license for CHR in 60-day trial mode. Just follow the steps of how to get the license in our wiki - http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:CHR#Getting_the_License
Note that there are no license count limitation for the account.
Seems to be something different than my initial interpretation of their official statement that "full versions of CHR have been released" :-D
Possibly they have not yet figured out how to create license without capability to copy VM (licence-and-all) to another instance yet ;)
Cheers!
Mike.
-----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Patrick Sayer Sent: Thursday, 24 December 2015 1:50 PM To: public@talk.mikrotik.com.au Subject: [MT-AU Public] AWS CHR licenses
In case anyone has issues activating the higher level of licenses on AWS, they have a problem which is listed as a bug. The only license level on AWS CHR is the free level for now _______________________________________________ Public mailing list Public@talk.mikrotik.com.au http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk.mikrotik.co m.au
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Hi Damien! Yes - they *could* do that, but they have been resisting it for some reason. I mentioned it to one of the MT contingent at the last AU MUM, that they might find out that if they change the licensing model from 'hard disk' basis to something else, then they would probably sell a lot more licenses for folks using it on VMs. He kind of shrugged and said "I guess they don't see it as a priority at the moment" ('they' being the routerOS development team ;) He went on to say "maybe if you try to make a case for them that will convince them that they will generate more revenue, then they will consider it. My thinking, then and now, is that we really have no accurate way to find out how many people are just copying VMs using the original license vs how many are buying multiple licenses for the same software-ID. I am aware that there are some instances of both, but no idea how to estimate how many and therefore no way to make a case for them. And, of course, why should I make the case anyway - since it is them who get the benefit anyhow! ;-) One limitation of MAC address, though, is that it is really only unique on a given broadcast network - it would be easy to have the same mac address on multiple devices on different subnets, or could keep that mac address for a loopback interface on many routers even on the same L2 network. I'm not sure that mac address would be a good way to defeat unauthorised copying of VMs either... Come to think of it, even IP address restriction could be defeated in a similar manner... <shrug> Regarding change of interfaces, I don't think it is possible - the only way would be to import the images verbatim (don't even know if that is possible between platforms - it can certainly done between two instances of VMware, just use 'move' instead of 'copy') Other than that, you'd need to script the transfer somehow - though probably all interface specific configuration rules probably change from the old interface name to 'unknown'? If you need to do it again, perhaps try to make export from the original platform, then create a new VM on the target, rename the interfaces to the same as original, then import the config. That method works very well for migration of configurations between hardware routers (even different models) so should work perfectly when migrating between software routers too :-) Cheers! Mike. the like them thunder.
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-----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Damien Gardner Jnr Sent: Monday, 28 December 2015 1:03 PM To: MikroTik Australia Public List <public@talk.mikrotik.com.au> Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] AWS CHR licenses
I'm sure they could do what most of the pay-per-month licensed software that ISP's currently use does - lock it to IP address or MAC address, or
:) Things like WHMCS and Centovacast do that, and it works quite well (though centovacast COMPLETELY shuts down if it detects a MAC address change - which is seriously annoying. At least WHMCS leaves the customer side up, and just stops the admins from using it until the licnese is reissued)
Actually sorry to go off on a tangent, but MAC addresses caused me a huge issue when I went to move my RouterOS VM to a new xenserver head last month (Sold my business, so was moving all my personal VM's to a new crazy big xenserver box I built up) - if the MAC address of an interface changes, is there a way to tell RouterOS that it's that same interface? My ether1-ether4 dissappeared, and I magically had ether5-ether8 after moving the VM - as the fastest way to 'move' was shut all VM's down and push
across the network with xenmigrate.pl, which generates new MAC addresses as it goes.
I ended up just resetting the config and starting from scratch, but would be nice to know if you can 'reassign' an interface to what looks to be a new physical adapter' if I ever hit it again.. :)
On 28 December 2015 at 12:55, Mike Everest <mike@duxtel.com> wrote:
Hi Patrick, all...
Comment from MT in response to my questions about it:
Currently licenses for CHR are not available for purchase. At the moment you can get any level license for CHR in 60-day trial mode. Just follow the steps of how to get the license in our wiki - http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:CHR#Getting_the_License
Note that there are no license count limitation for the account.
Seems to be something different than my initial interpretation of their official statement that "full versions of CHR have been released" :-D
Possibly they have not yet figured out how to create license without capability to copy VM (licence-and-all) to another instance yet ;)
Cheers!
Mike.
-----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Patrick Sayer Sent: Thursday, 24 December 2015 1:50 PM To: public@talk.mikrotik.com.au Subject: [MT-AU Public] AWS CHR licenses
In case anyone has issues activating the higher level of licenses on AWS, they have a problem which is listed as a bug. The only license level on AWS CHR is the free level for now _______________________________________________ Public mailing list Public@talk.mikrotik.com.au http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk.mikrotik. co m.au
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Doesn't this really depend. If they want to get into an arms race then start with the lock down licensing, or trust people and not spend lots of money in license protection. Personally, $60 / device is not much to pay for a business, in fact I would pay more for priority support. Work it like Redhat / Open source does. Alex -----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Mike Everest Sent: Monday, 28 December 2015 1:20 PM To: 'MikroTik Australia Public List' <public@talk.mikrotik.com.au> Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] AWS CHR licenses Hi Damien! Yes - they *could* do that, but they have been resisting it for some reason. I mentioned it to one of the MT contingent at the last AU MUM, that they might find out that if they change the licensing model from 'hard disk' basis to something else, then they would probably sell a lot more licenses for folks using it on VMs. He kind of shrugged and said "I guess they don't see it as a priority at the moment" ('they' being the routerOS development team ;) He went on to say "maybe if you try to make a case for them that will convince them that they will generate more revenue, then they will consider it. My thinking, then and now, is that we really have no accurate way to find out how many people are just copying VMs using the original license vs how many are buying multiple licenses for the same software-ID. I am aware that there are some instances of both, but no idea how to estimate how many and therefore no way to make a case for them. And, of course, why should I make the case anyway - since it is them who get the benefit anyhow! ;-) One limitation of MAC address, though, is that it is really only unique on a given broadcast network - it would be easy to have the same mac address on multiple devices on different subnets, or could keep that mac address for a loopback interface on many routers even on the same L2 network. I'm not sure that mac address would be a good way to defeat unauthorised copying of VMs either... Come to think of it, even IP address restriction could be defeated in a similar manner... <shrug> Regarding change of interfaces, I don't think it is possible - the only way would be to import the images verbatim (don't even know if that is possible between platforms - it can certainly done between two instances of VMware, just use 'move' instead of 'copy') Other than that, you'd need to script the transfer somehow - though probably all interface specific configuration rules probably change from the old interface name to 'unknown'? If you need to do it again, perhaps try to make export from the original platform, then create a new VM on the target, rename the interfaces to the same as original, then import the config. That method works very well for migration of configurations between hardware routers (even different models) so should work perfectly when migrating between software routers too :-) Cheers! Mike. the like them thunder.
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Doesn't this really depend. If they want to get into an arms race then start with the lock down licensing, or trust people and not spend lots of money in license protection.
Personally, $60 / device is not much to pay for a business, in fact I would pay more for priority support. Work it like Redhat / Open source does.
Alex
-----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Mike Everest Sent: Monday, 28 December 2015 1:20 PM To: 'MikroTik Australia Public List' <public@talk.mikrotik.com.au> Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] AWS CHR licenses
Hi Damien!
Yes - they *could* do that, but they have been resisting it for some reason. I mentioned it to one of the MT contingent at the last AU MUM, that they might find out that if they change the licensing model from 'hard disk' basis to something else, then they would probably sell a lot more licenses for folks using it on VMs. He kind of shrugged and said "I guess they don't see it as a priority at the moment" ('they' being the routerOS development team ;) He went on to say "maybe if you try to make a case for them that will convince them that they will generate more revenue, then they will consider it.
My thinking, then and now, is that we really have no accurate way to find out how many people are just copying VMs using the original license vs how many are buying multiple licenses for the same software-ID. I am aware
there are some instances of both, but no idea how to estimate how many and therefore no way to make a case for them. And, of course, why should I make the case anyway - since it is them who get the benefit anyhow! ;-)
One limitation of MAC address, though, is that it is really only unique on a given broadcast network - it would be easy to have the same mac address on multiple devices on different subnets, or could keep that mac address for a loopback interface on many routers even on the same L2 network. I'm not sure that mac address would be a good way to defeat unauthorised copying of VMs either...
Come to think of it, even IP address restriction could be defeated in a similar manner... <shrug>
Regarding change of interfaces, I don't think it is possible - the only way would be to import the images verbatim (don't even know if that is
between platforms - it can certainly done between two instances of VMware, just use 'move' instead of 'copy')
Other than that, you'd need to script the transfer somehow - though probably all interface specific configuration rules probably change from
Yes, possibly. I know that many folks DO pay the license fee even though they know that they can use it unauthorized anyhow (it is easy to find out how many people DO pay it, but not so simple to know how many do not! ;) The real question is one of revenue and market share - more strict licensing rules probably means lower market share, but which delivers greatest revenue? In the end, it all comes down to maximising profits - even for open source operations ;) Cheers! Mike. that possible the
old interface name to 'unknown'?
If you need to do it again, perhaps try to make export from the original platform, then create a new VM on the target, rename the interfaces to the same as original, then import the config. That method works very well for migration of configurations between hardware routers (even different models) so should work perfectly when migrating between software routers too :-)
Cheers!
Mike.
-----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Damien Gardner Jnr Sent: Monday, 28 December 2015 1:03 PM To: MikroTik Australia Public List <public@talk.mikrotik.com.au> Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] AWS CHR licenses
I'm sure they could do what most of the pay-per-month licensed software that ISP's currently use does - lock it to IP address or MAC address, or the like :) Things like WHMCS and Centovacast do that, and it works quite well (though centovacast COMPLETELY shuts down if it detects a MAC address change - which is seriously annoying. At least WHMCS leaves the customer side up, and just stops the admins from using it until the licnese is reissued)
Actually sorry to go off on a tangent, but MAC addresses caused me a huge issue when I went to move my RouterOS VM to a new xenserver head last month (Sold my business, so was moving all my personal VM's to a new crazy big xenserver box I built up) - if the MAC address of an interface changes, is there a way to tell RouterOS that it's that same interface? My ether1-ether4 dissappeared, and I magically had ether5-ether8 after moving the VM - as the fastest way to 'move' was shut all VM's down and push them across the network with xenmigrate.pl, which generates new MAC addresses as it goes.
I ended up just resetting the config and starting from scratch, but would be nice to know if you can 'reassign' an interface to what looks to be a new physical adapter' if I ever hit it again.. :)
On 28 December 2015 at 12:55, Mike Everest <mike@duxtel.com> wrote:
Hi Patrick, all...
Comment from MT in response to my questions about it:
Currently licenses for CHR are not available for purchase. At the moment you can get any level license for CHR in 60-day trial mode. Just follow the steps of how to get the license in our wiki - http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:CHR#Getting_the_License
Note that there are no license count limitation for the account.
Seems to be something different than my initial interpretation of their official statement that "full versions of CHR have been released" :-D
Possibly they have not yet figured out how to create license without capability to copy VM (licence-and-all) to another instance yet ;)
Cheers!
Mike.
-----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Patrick Sayer Sent: Thursday, 24 December 2015 1:50 PM To: public@talk.mikrotik.com.au Subject: [MT-AU Public] AWS CHR licenses
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