Good afternoon all, I remember some discussion earlier in the year about xDSL SFPs in AU. Did anyone manage to find one that worked? We've got a few sites coming up for refresh in the next month or so and it would be nice to move away from our standard deployment of an RB with a TPLink double-sided-taped together. All sites currently have ADSL2+ connections - and all are allegedly getting NBN FTTN or FTTdp in the next 12-18 months so it would be great to have something supporting both (although given that the office I'm sitting in at the moment had NBN fiber pulled in a couple of months ago which is still not ready for service, I'll believe that last part when I see it...). Thanks!
There's a guy in The Netherlands testing some. See the last few entries on this post: https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=104109&start=50 Russell -----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Thomas Jackson Sent: Wednesday, 17 May 2017 11:19 AM To: MikroTik Australia Public List <public@talk.mikrotik.com.au> Subject: [MT-AU Public] xDSL SFPs Good afternoon all, I remember some discussion earlier in the year about xDSL SFPs in AU. Did anyone manage to find one that worked? We've got a few sites coming up for refresh in the next month or so and it would be nice to move away from our standard deployment of an RB with a TPLink double-sided-taped together. All sites currently have ADSL2+ connections - and all are allegedly getting NBN FTTN or FTTdp in the next 12-18 months so it would be great to have something supporting both (although given that the office I'm sitting in at the moment had NBN fiber pulled in a couple of months ago which is still not ready for service, I'll believe that last part when I see it...). Thanks! _______________________________________________ Public mailing list Public@talk.mikrotik.com.au http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk.mikrotik.com.au
Thanks Russell I had seen that thread (looking this morning I can see that there have been some more posts overnight too), doesn't look like anyone has actually confirmed that they work yet though. I was hoping that someone may have had some more local experience too (and ideally a local vendor). -----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Russell Hurren Sent: Wednesday, 17 May 2017 1:35 PM To: 'MikroTik Australia Public List' <public@talk.mikrotik.com.au> Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] xDSL SFPs There's a guy in The Netherlands testing some. See the last few entries on this post: https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=104109&start=50 Russell -----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Thomas Jackson Sent: Wednesday, 17 May 2017 11:19 AM To: MikroTik Australia Public List <public@talk.mikrotik.com.au> Subject: [MT-AU Public] xDSL SFPs Good afternoon all, I remember some discussion earlier in the year about xDSL SFPs in AU. Did anyone manage to find one that worked? We've got a few sites coming up for refresh in the next month or so and it would be nice to move away from our standard deployment of an RB with a TPLink double-sided-taped together. All sites currently have ADSL2+ connections - and all are allegedly getting NBN FTTN or FTTdp in the next 12-18 months so it would be great to have something supporting both (although given that the office I'm sitting in at the moment had NBN fiber pulled in a couple of months ago which is still not ready for service, I'll believe that last part when I see it...). Thanks! _______________________________________________ Public mailing list Public@talk.mikrotik.com.au http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk.mikrotik.com.au _______________________________________________ Public mailing list Public@talk.mikrotik.com.au http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk.mikrotik.com.au
Are the modules actually available for purchase? I was going to buy one, then it looked like they weren't actually commercially available yet? On 18 May 2017 at 11:58, Thomas Jackson <thomas@thomax.com.au> wrote:
Thanks Russell
I had seen that thread (looking this morning I can see that there have been some more posts overnight too), doesn't look like anyone has actually confirmed that they work yet though.
I was hoping that someone may have had some more local experience too (and ideally a local vendor).
-----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Russell Hurren Sent: Wednesday, 17 May 2017 1:35 PM To: 'MikroTik Australia Public List' <public@talk.mikrotik.com.au> Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] xDSL SFPs
There's a guy in The Netherlands testing some. See the last few entries on this post: https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=104109&start=50
Russell
-----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Thomas Jackson Sent: Wednesday, 17 May 2017 11:19 AM To: MikroTik Australia Public List <public@talk.mikrotik.com.au> Subject: [MT-AU Public] xDSL SFPs
Good afternoon all,
I remember some discussion earlier in the year about xDSL SFPs in AU.
Did anyone manage to find one that worked?
We've got a few sites coming up for refresh in the next month or so and it would be nice to move away from our standard deployment of an RB with a TPLink double-sided-taped together.
All sites currently have ADSL2+ connections - and all are allegedly getting NBN FTTN or FTTdp in the next 12-18 months so it would be great to have something supporting both (although given that the office I'm sitting in at the moment had NBN fiber pulled in a couple of months ago which is still not ready for service, I'll believe that last part when I see it...).
Thanks!
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Looking at the data sheets it might need to have a kernel module included in ROS to drive it properly (I guess much like LTE modems). The data sheet for the Coming Soon G.Fast module implies it'll have an ethernet like interface you can use to talk to it - maybe configure it through a web or telnet interface like regular VDSL modems. On 18 May 2017 at 11:59, Damien Gardner Jnr <rendrag@rendrag.net> wrote:
Are the modules actually available for purchase? I was going to buy one, then it looked like they weren't actually commercially available yet?
On 18 May 2017 at 11:58, Thomas Jackson <thomas@thomax.com.au> wrote:
Thanks Russell
I had seen that thread (looking this morning I can see that there have been some more posts overnight too), doesn't look like anyone has actually confirmed that they work yet though.
I was hoping that someone may have had some more local experience too (and ideally a local vendor).
-----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Russell Hurren Sent: Wednesday, 17 May 2017 1:35 PM To: 'MikroTik Australia Public List' <public@talk.mikrotik.com.au> Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] xDSL SFPs
There's a guy in The Netherlands testing some. See the last few entries on this post: https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=104109&start=50
Russell
-----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Thomas Jackson Sent: Wednesday, 17 May 2017 11:19 AM To: MikroTik Australia Public List <public@talk.mikrotik.com.au> Subject: [MT-AU Public] xDSL SFPs
Good afternoon all,
I remember some discussion earlier in the year about xDSL SFPs in AU.
Did anyone manage to find one that worked?
We've got a few sites coming up for refresh in the next month or so and it would be nice to move away from our standard deployment of an RB with a TPLink double-sided-taped together.
All sites currently have ADSL2+ connections - and all are allegedly getting NBN FTTN or FTTdp in the next 12-18 months so it would be great to have something supporting both (although given that the office I'm sitting in at the moment had NBN fiber pulled in a couple of months ago which is still not ready for service, I'll believe that last part when I see it...).
Thanks!
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Oh they exist. We are using them for point to point now. Not working with NBN yet. But i hope to try some Vector firmware soon. They also do ADSL with an interesting cludge of a different vlan is mapped to a factory set of VPI/VCI Unfortunately 8/35 is not one of them. So have had no luck with that. But we are working on that one to. On 18/5/17 12:14 pm, Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) wrote:
Looking at the data sheets it might need to have a kernel module included in ROS to drive it properly (I guess much like LTE modems). The data sheet for the Coming Soon G.Fast module implies it'll have an ethernet like interface you can use to talk to it - maybe configure it through a web or telnet interface like regular VDSL modems.
On 18 May 2017 at 11:59, Damien Gardner Jnr <rendrag@rendrag.net> wrote:
Are the modules actually available for purchase? I was going to buy one, then it looked like they weren't actually commercially available yet?
On 18 May 2017 at 11:58, Thomas Jackson <thomas@thomax.com.au> wrote:
Thanks Russell
I had seen that thread (looking this morning I can see that there have been some more posts overnight too), doesn't look like anyone has actually confirmed that they work yet though.
I was hoping that someone may have had some more local experience too (and ideally a local vendor).
-----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Russell Hurren Sent: Wednesday, 17 May 2017 1:35 PM To: 'MikroTik Australia Public List' <public@talk.mikrotik.com.au> Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] xDSL SFPs
There's a guy in The Netherlands testing some. See the last few entries on this post: https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=104109&start=50
Russell
-----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Thomas Jackson Sent: Wednesday, 17 May 2017 11:19 AM To: MikroTik Australia Public List <public@talk.mikrotik.com.au> Subject: [MT-AU Public] xDSL SFPs
Good afternoon all,
I remember some discussion earlier in the year about xDSL SFPs in AU.
Did anyone manage to find one that worked?
We've got a few sites coming up for refresh in the next month or so and it would be nice to move away from our standard deployment of an RB with a TPLink double-sided-taped together.
All sites currently have ADSL2+ connections - and all are allegedly getting NBN FTTN or FTTdp in the next 12-18 months so it would be great to have something supporting both (although given that the office I'm sitting in at the moment had NBN fiber pulled in a couple of months ago which is still not ready for service, I'll believe that last part when I see it...). Thanks!
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On 18/5/17 12:56 pm, Matt Perkins wrote:
Oh they exist. We are using them for point to point now. Not working with NBN yet. But i hope to try some Vector firmware soon. They also do ADSL with an interesting cludge of a different vlan is mapped to a factory set of VPI/VCI Unfortunately 8/35 is not one of them. So have had no luck with that. But we are working on that one to.
Looks like the list striped it out the photo Here's to the link to a pic of one on my desk. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15101291/IMG_2361.jpg
On 18/5/17 12:14 pm, Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) wrote:
Looking at the data sheets it might need to have a kernel module included in ROS to drive it properly (I guess much like LTE modems). The data sheet for the Coming Soon G.Fast module implies it'll have an ethernet like interface you can use to talk to it - maybe configure it through a web or telnet interface like regular VDSL modems.
On 18 May 2017 at 11:59, Damien Gardner Jnr <rendrag@rendrag.net> wrote:
Are the modules actually available for purchase? I was going to buy one, then it looked like they weren't actually commercially available yet?
On 18 May 2017 at 11:58, Thomas Jackson <thomas@thomax.com.au> wrote:
Thanks Russell
I had seen that thread (looking this morning I can see that there have been some more posts overnight too), doesn't look like anyone has actually confirmed that they work yet though.
I was hoping that someone may have had some more local experience too (and ideally a local vendor).
-----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Russell Hurren Sent: Wednesday, 17 May 2017 1:35 PM To: 'MikroTik Australia Public List' <public@talk.mikrotik.com.au> Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] xDSL SFPs
There's a guy in The Netherlands testing some. See the last few entries on this post: https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=104109&start=50
Russell
-----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Thomas Jackson Sent: Wednesday, 17 May 2017 11:19 AM To: MikroTik Australia Public List <public@talk.mikrotik.com.au> Subject: [MT-AU Public] xDSL SFPs
Good afternoon all,
I remember some discussion earlier in the year about xDSL SFPs in AU.
Did anyone manage to find one that worked?
We've got a few sites coming up for refresh in the next month or so and it would be nice to move away from our standard deployment of an RB with a TPLink double-sided-taped together.
All sites currently have ADSL2+ connections - and all are allegedly getting NBN FTTN or FTTdp in the next 12-18 months so it would be great to have something supporting both (although given that the office I'm sitting in at the moment had NBN fiber pulled in a couple of months ago which is still not ready for service, I'll believe that last part when I see it...). Thanks!
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-----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Matt Perkins Sent: Thursday, 18 May 2017 12:56 PM To: public@talk.mikrotik.com.au Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] xDSL SFPs
Oh they exist. We are using them for point to point now. Not working with NBN yet. But i hope to try some Vector firmware soon. They also do ADSL with an interesting cludge of a different vlan is mapped to a factory set of VPI/VCI Unfortunately 8/35 is not one of them. So have had no luck with
Yes - Point to point are already OK! :) Compliance certification is still a problem for us ;) Cheers! that.
But we are working on that one to.
On 18/5/17 12:14 pm, Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) wrote:
Looking at the data sheets it might need to have a kernel module included in ROS to drive it properly (I guess much like LTE modems). The data sheet for the Coming Soon G.Fast module implies it'll have an ethernet like interface you can use to talk to it - maybe configure it through a web or telnet interface like regular VDSL modems.
On 18 May 2017 at 11:59, Damien Gardner Jnr <rendrag@rendrag.net> wrote:
Are the modules actually available for purchase? I was going to buy one, then it looked like they weren't actually commercially available yet?
On 18 May 2017 at 11:58, Thomas Jackson <thomas@thomax.com.au> wrote:
Thanks Russell
I had seen that thread (looking this morning I can see that there have been some more posts overnight too), doesn't look like anyone has actually confirmed that they work yet though.
I was hoping that someone may have had some more local experience too (and ideally a local vendor).
-----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Russell Hurren Sent: Wednesday, 17 May 2017 1:35 PM To: 'MikroTik Australia Public List' <public@talk.mikrotik.com.au> Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] xDSL SFPs
There's a guy in The Netherlands testing some. See the last few entries on this post: https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=104109&start=50
Russell
-----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Thomas Jackson Sent: Wednesday, 17 May 2017 11:19 AM To: MikroTik Australia Public List <public@talk.mikrotik.com.au> Subject: [MT-AU Public] xDSL SFPs
Good afternoon all,
I remember some discussion earlier in the year about xDSL SFPs in AU.
Did anyone manage to find one that worked?
We've got a few sites coming up for refresh in the next month or so and it would be nice to move away from our standard deployment of an RB with a TPLink double-sided-taped together.
All sites currently have ADSL2+ connections - and all are allegedly getting NBN FTTN or FTTdp in the next 12-18 months so it would be great to have something supporting both (although given that the office I'm sitting in at the moment had NBN fiber pulled in a couple of months ago which is still not ready for service, I'll believe that last part when I see it...). Thanks!
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Yes. did not mean to imply it was workable outside the lab. We have them working in the lab with planet and zyzel v/d slams. Looking forward to Mike getting them for sale locally. We are sure to buy bucket loads from him :) Matt. On 18/5/17 1:01 pm, Mike Everest wrote:
Yes - Point to point are already OK! :)
Compliance certification is still a problem for us ;)
Cheers!
-----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Matt Perkins Sent: Thursday, 18 May 2017 12:56 PM To: public@talk.mikrotik.com.au Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] xDSL SFPs
Oh they exist. We are using them for point to point now. Not working with NBN yet. But i hope to try some Vector firmware soon. They also do ADSL with an interesting cludge of a different vlan is mapped to a factory set of VPI/VCI Unfortunately 8/35 is not one of them. So have had no luck with that. But we are working on that one to.
On 18/5/17 12:14 pm, Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) wrote:
Looking at the data sheets it might need to have a kernel module included in ROS to drive it properly (I guess much like LTE modems). The data sheet for the Coming Soon G.Fast module implies it'll have an ethernet like interface you can use to talk to it - maybe configure it through a web or telnet interface like regular VDSL modems.
On 18 May 2017 at 11:59, Damien Gardner Jnr <rendrag@rendrag.net> wrote:
Are the modules actually available for purchase? I was going to buy one, then it looked like they weren't actually commercially available yet? On 18 May 2017 at 11:58, Thomas Jackson <thomas@thomax.com.au> wrote:
Thanks Russell
I had seen that thread (looking this morning I can see that there have been some more posts overnight too), doesn't look like anyone has actually confirmed that they work yet though.
I was hoping that someone may have had some more local experience too (and ideally a local vendor).
-----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Russell Hurren Sent: Wednesday, 17 May 2017 1:35 PM To: 'MikroTik Australia Public List' <public@talk.mikrotik.com.au> Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] xDSL SFPs
There's a guy in The Netherlands testing some. See the last few entries on this post: https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=104109&start=50
Russell
-----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Thomas Jackson Sent: Wednesday, 17 May 2017 11:19 AM To: MikroTik Australia Public List <public@talk.mikrotik.com.au> Subject: [MT-AU Public] xDSL SFPs
Good afternoon all,
I remember some discussion earlier in the year about xDSL SFPs in AU.
Did anyone manage to find one that worked?
We've got a few sites coming up for refresh in the next month or so and it would be nice to move away from our standard deployment of an RB with a TPLink double-sided-taped together.
All sites currently have ADSL2+ connections - and all are allegedly getting NBN FTTN or FTTdp in the next 12-18 months so it would be great to have something supporting both (although given that the office I'm sitting in at the moment had NBN fiber pulled in a couple of months ago which is still not ready for service, I'll believe that last part when I see it...). Thanks!
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Hi Everyone, I thought I'd chip in some commentary here since there is obviously plenty of interest :-} There are at least two products around that implement some form of vDSL in an SFP module, but there are lots of hurdles preventing release to AU market which are partly commercial (vendor requests significant - circi USD100K - commitment prior to even proving viable operation on any given network) and partly technical (vDSL definition is somewhat 'loose' in implementation such that there is no guarantee that something that works well with one vendor DSLAM will also work with every other) At DuxTel, we've been trying to work out a solution for many months, and although we are closing on a potential outcome, there is no firm date for market readiness. One thing that we know of thus far: - devices are real, and actually exist ;) - devices work with MikroTik RouterOS to the extent that they are recognised by SFP drivers and 'inserted module' parameters are reported correctly - MikroTik are 'on board' to develop further support to implement some form of configuration interface for routerOS and this type of device Here is what we don't have yet: - commercial agreement with manufacturing vendor/s to support development of solution to work with any given vDSL service (read: NBN) - compliance testing documentation to support RCM eligbility for AU environment What needs to happen before they are made available to the AU market: - compliance testing and certification - testing (and probably some driver/firmware development) to work with NBNCo DSLAMs and other DSLAM vendors The big hurdle to the above is in coming to some commercial agreement with one or more vendors that satisfies their need to cover costs of final stages of development and compliance testing. My assessment of where this is all at is that the manufacturer/s have developed some 'proof of concept' hardware that seems to implement a general form of vDSL (with ADSL fallback) BUT (and that's a big BUT) there is a lot of technical work to be done to deliver sufficient confidence that they will work reliably over any particular or general vDSL network. That is not even beginning to consider whether they are likely to meet any particular regulatory compliance requirements for AU or any other jurisdiction ;) So short story is: they are coming, perhaps, but probably not any time soon :-J Questions (on or off list) are welcome! Cheers, Mike.
Thanks for the responses everyone Looks like we're using the double-sided tape again this time around :) Sent from mobile Thomas Jackson Managing Director +61 2 8378 5555
On 18 May 2017, at 12:54 pm, Mike Everest <mike@duxtel.com> wrote:
Hi Everyone,
I thought I'd chip in some commentary here since there is obviously plenty of interest :-}
There are at least two products around that implement some form of vDSL in an SFP module, but there are lots of hurdles preventing release to AU market which are partly commercial (vendor requests significant - circi USD100K - commitment prior to even proving viable operation on any given network) and partly technical (vDSL definition is somewhat 'loose' in implementation such that there is no guarantee that something that works well with one vendor DSLAM will also work with every other)
At DuxTel, we've been trying to work out a solution for many months, and although we are closing on a potential outcome, there is no firm date for market readiness.
One thing that we know of thus far: - devices are real, and actually exist ;) - devices work with MikroTik RouterOS to the extent that they are recognised by SFP drivers and 'inserted module' parameters are reported correctly - MikroTik are 'on board' to develop further support to implement some form of configuration interface for routerOS and this type of device
Here is what we don't have yet: - commercial agreement with manufacturing vendor/s to support development of solution to work with any given vDSL service (read: NBN) - compliance testing documentation to support RCM eligbility for AU environment
What needs to happen before they are made available to the AU market: - compliance testing and certification - testing (and probably some driver/firmware development) to work with NBNCo DSLAMs and other DSLAM vendors
The big hurdle to the above is in coming to some commercial agreement with one or more vendors that satisfies their need to cover costs of final stages of development and compliance testing.
My assessment of where this is all at is that the manufacturer/s have developed some 'proof of concept' hardware that seems to implement a general form of vDSL (with ADSL fallback) BUT (and that's a big BUT) there is a lot of technical work to be done to deliver sufficient confidence that they will work reliably over any particular or general vDSL network. That is not even beginning to consider whether they are likely to meet any particular regulatory compliance requirements for AU or any other jurisdiction ;)
So short story is: they are coming, perhaps, but probably not any time soon :-J
Questions (on or off list) are welcome!
Cheers, Mike.
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Anyone else ordered one of the 180-T's yet? innet24.de are now selling them, but are waiting on a firmware update (due out next week) before they're shipping more units. Looking forward to getting one and seeing how they go on NBN, if I can remove one device from the network at home, I'll be very happy! On 19 May 2017 at 08:08, Thomas Jackson <thomas@thomax.com.au> wrote:
Thanks for the responses everyone
Looks like we're using the double-sided tape again this time around :)
Sent from mobile
Thomas Jackson Managing Director +61 2 8378 5555
commitment prior to even proving viable operation on any given network) and partly technical (vDSL definition is somewhat 'loose' in implementation such that there is no guarantee that something that works well with one vendor DSLAM will also work with every other)
At DuxTel, we've been trying to work out a solution for many months, and although we are closing on a potential outcome, there is no firm date for market readiness.
One thing that we know of thus far: - devices are real, and actually exist ;) - devices work with MikroTik RouterOS to the extent that they are recognised by SFP drivers and 'inserted module' parameters are reported correctly - MikroTik are 'on board' to develop further support to implement some form of configuration interface for routerOS and this type of device
Here is what we don't have yet: - commercial agreement with manufacturing vendor/s to support development of solution to work with any given vDSL service (read: NBN) - compliance testing documentation to support RCM eligbility for AU environment
What needs to happen before they are made available to the AU market: - compliance testing and certification - testing (and probably some driver/firmware development) to work with NBNCo DSLAMs and other DSLAM vendors
The big hurdle to the above is in coming to some commercial agreement with one or more vendors that satisfies their need to cover costs of final stages of development and compliance testing.
My assessment of where this is all at is that the manufacturer/s have developed some 'proof of concept' hardware that seems to implement a general form of vDSL (with ADSL fallback) BUT (and that's a big BUT) there is a lot of technical work to be done to deliver sufficient confidence that they will work reliably over any particular or general vDSL network. That is not even beginning to consider whether they are likely to meet any particular regulatory compliance requirements for AU or any other jurisdiction ;)
So short story is: they are coming, perhaps, but probably not any time soon :-J
Questions (on or off list) are welcome!
Cheers, Mike.
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On 18 May 2017, at 12:54 pm, Mike Everest <mike@duxtel.com> wrote:
Hi Everyone,
I thought I'd chip in some commentary here since there is obviously plenty of interest :-}
There are at least two products around that implement some form of vDSL in an SFP module, but there are lots of hurdles preventing release to AU market which are partly commercial (vendor requests significant - circi USD100K
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Be careful, I remember reading that modems not tested and authorised for NBN use can cause the port to be locked. Until someone goes to the expense of having them tested and approved for use in Australia (cough .. Mike?) you may not get much joy. They might work on a bog standard ADSL line. Speaking of which, I might be late to the party but I noticed that Telstra ADSL now supports IPoE as well as PPPoE/A. I reset an old cheapie/dodgy TPLink modem the other day for someone and without doing anything the PC connected did a DHCP request and got a public IP/DNS! When I set the modem up to do IPoE it picked all that up as well but for some reason wouldn't NAT or proxy the DNS. Wrote the modem off and we proceeded to order an NBN service. On 26 July 2017 at 09:57, Damien Gardner Jnr <rendrag@rendrag.net> wrote:
Anyone else ordered one of the 180-T's yet? innet24.de are now selling them, but are waiting on a firmware update (due out next week) before they're shipping more units. Looking forward to getting one and seeing how they go on NBN, if I can remove one device from the network at home, I'll be very happy!
On 19 May 2017 at 08:08, Thomas Jackson <thomas@thomax.com.au> wrote:
Thanks for the responses everyone
Looks like we're using the double-sided tape again this time around :)
Sent from mobile
Thomas Jackson Managing Director +61 2 8378 5555
commitment prior to even proving viable operation on any given network) and partly technical (vDSL definition is somewhat 'loose' in implementation such that there is no guarantee that something that works well with one vendor DSLAM will also work with every other)
At DuxTel, we've been trying to work out a solution for many months, and although we are closing on a potential outcome, there is no firm date for market readiness.
One thing that we know of thus far: - devices are real, and actually exist ;) - devices work with MikroTik RouterOS to the extent that they are recognised by SFP drivers and 'inserted module' parameters are reported correctly - MikroTik are 'on board' to develop further support to implement some form of configuration interface for routerOS and this type of device
Here is what we don't have yet: - commercial agreement with manufacturing vendor/s to support development of solution to work with any given vDSL service (read: NBN) - compliance testing documentation to support RCM eligbility for AU environment
What needs to happen before they are made available to the AU market: - compliance testing and certification - testing (and probably some driver/firmware development) to work with NBNCo DSLAMs and other DSLAM vendors
The big hurdle to the above is in coming to some commercial agreement with one or more vendors that satisfies their need to cover costs of final stages of development and compliance testing.
My assessment of where this is all at is that the manufacturer/s have developed some 'proof of concept' hardware that seems to implement a general form of vDSL (with ADSL fallback) BUT (and that's a big BUT) there is a lot of technical work to be done to deliver sufficient confidence that they will work reliably over any particular or general vDSL network. That is not even beginning to consider whether they are likely to meet any particular regulatory compliance requirements for AU or any other jurisdiction ;)
So short story is: they are coming, perhaps, but probably not any time soon :-J
Questions (on or off list) are welcome!
Cheers, Mike.
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On 18 May 2017, at 12:54 pm, Mike Everest <mike@duxtel.com> wrote:
Hi Everyone,
I thought I'd chip in some commentary here since there is obviously plenty of interest :-}
There are at least two products around that implement some form of vDSL in an SFP module, but there are lots of hurdles preventing release to AU market which are partly commercial (vendor requests significant - circi USD100K
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If you plug in a modem which does not support G.vector, the port will get shut down within ~10 minutes, and requires a support request from your RSP to NBNco to have the port re-enabled. They don't specifically detect modem model and shut down if they don't know the model though, as far as I know. IPOE on ADSL is an interesting one, that'd make setup very easy! On 26 July 2017 at 10:05, Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) < jason@upandrunningtech.com.au> wrote:
Be careful, I remember reading that modems not tested and authorised for NBN use can cause the port to be locked. Until someone goes to the expense of having them tested and approved for use in Australia (cough .. Mike?) you may not get much joy. They might work on a bog standard ADSL line.
Speaking of which, I might be late to the party but I noticed that Telstra ADSL now supports IPoE as well as PPPoE/A. I reset an old cheapie/dodgy TPLink modem the other day for someone and without doing anything the PC connected did a DHCP request and got a public IP/DNS! When I set the modem up to do IPoE it picked all that up as well but for some reason wouldn't NAT or proxy the DNS. Wrote the modem off and we proceeded to order an NBN service.
On 26 July 2017 at 09:57, Damien Gardner Jnr <rendrag@rendrag.net> wrote:
Anyone else ordered one of the 180-T's yet? innet24.de are now selling them, but are waiting on a firmware update (due out next week) before they're shipping more units. Looking forward to getting one and seeing how they go on NBN, if I can remove one device from the network at home, I'll be very happy!
On 19 May 2017 at 08:08, Thomas Jackson <thomas@thomax.com.au> wrote:
Thanks for the responses everyone
Looks like we're using the double-sided tape again this time around :)
Sent from mobile
Thomas Jackson Managing Director +61 2 8378 5555
commitment prior to even proving viable operation on any given network) and partly technical (vDSL definition is somewhat 'loose' in implementation such that there is no guarantee that something that works well with one vendor DSLAM will also work with every other)
At DuxTel, we've been trying to work out a solution for many months, and although we are closing on a potential outcome, there is no firm date for market readiness.
One thing that we know of thus far: - devices are real, and actually exist ;) - devices work with MikroTik RouterOS to the extent that they are recognised by SFP drivers and 'inserted module' parameters are reported correctly - MikroTik are 'on board' to develop further support to implement some form of configuration interface for routerOS and this type of device
Here is what we don't have yet: - commercial agreement with manufacturing vendor/s to support development of solution to work with any given vDSL service (read: NBN) - compliance testing documentation to support RCM eligbility for AU environment
What needs to happen before they are made available to the AU market: - compliance testing and certification - testing (and probably some driver/firmware development) to work with NBNCo DSLAMs and other DSLAM vendors
The big hurdle to the above is in coming to some commercial agreement with one or more vendors that satisfies their need to cover costs of final stages of development and compliance testing.
My assessment of where this is all at is that the manufacturer/s have developed some 'proof of concept' hardware that seems to implement a general form of vDSL (with ADSL fallback) BUT (and that's a big BUT) there is a lot of technical work to be done to deliver sufficient confidence that they will work reliably over any particular or general vDSL network. That is not even beginning to consider whether they are likely to meet any particular regulatory compliance requirements for AU or any other jurisdiction ;)
So short story is: they are coming, perhaps, but probably not any time soon :-J
Questions (on or off list) are welcome!
Cheers, Mike.
_______________________________________________ Public mailing list Public@talk.mikrotik.com.au http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk. mikrotik.com.au
On 18 May 2017, at 12:54 pm, Mike Everest <mike@duxtel.com> wrote:
Hi Everyone,
I thought I'd chip in some commentary here since there is obviously plenty of interest :-}
There are at least two products around that implement some form of vDSL in an SFP module, but there are lots of hurdles preventing release to AU market which are partly commercial (vendor requests significant - circi USD100K
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I think we're all pretty excited about the prospects of those VDSL2 and G.Fast SFP modules (I am getting FTTC so G.Fast is probably on the cards one day). I guess you can be the guinea pig and be the one to risk explaining to your ISP why your port should be unlocked. ;) On 26 July 2017 at 10:09, Damien Gardner Jnr <rendrag@rendrag.net> wrote:
If you plug in a modem which does not support G.vector, the port will get shut down within ~10 minutes, and requires a support request from your RSP to NBNco to have the port re-enabled. They don't specifically detect modem model and shut down if they don't know the model though, as far as I know.
IPOE on ADSL is an interesting one, that'd make setup very easy!
On 26 July 2017 at 10:05, Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) < jason@upandrunningtech.com.au> wrote:
Be careful, I remember reading that modems not tested and authorised for NBN use can cause the port to be locked. Until someone goes to the expense of having them tested and approved for use in Australia (cough .. Mike?) you may not get much joy. They might work on a bog standard ADSL line.
Speaking of which, I might be late to the party but I noticed that Telstra ADSL now supports IPoE as well as PPPoE/A. I reset an old cheapie/dodgy TPLink modem the other day for someone and without doing anything the PC connected did a DHCP request and got a public IP/DNS! When I set the modem up to do IPoE it picked all that up as well but for some reason wouldn't NAT or proxy the DNS. Wrote the modem off and we proceeded to order an NBN service.
On 26 July 2017 at 09:57, Damien Gardner Jnr <rendrag@rendrag.net> wrote:
Anyone else ordered one of the 180-T's yet? innet24.de are now selling them, but are waiting on a firmware update (due out next week) before they're shipping more units. Looking forward to getting one and seeing how they go on NBN, if I can remove one device from the network at home, I'll be very happy!
On 19 May 2017 at 08:08, Thomas Jackson <thomas@thomax.com.au> wrote:
Thanks for the responses everyone
Looks like we're using the double-sided tape again this time around :)
Sent from mobile
Thomas Jackson Managing Director +61 2 8378 5555
commitment prior to even proving viable operation on any given network) and partly technical (vDSL definition is somewhat 'loose' in implementation such that there is no guarantee that something that works well with one vendor DSLAM will also work with every other)
At DuxTel, we've been trying to work out a solution for many months, and although we are closing on a potential outcome, there is no firm date for market readiness.
One thing that we know of thus far: - devices are real, and actually exist ;) - devices work with MikroTik RouterOS to the extent that they are recognised by SFP drivers and 'inserted module' parameters are reported correctly - MikroTik are 'on board' to develop further support to implement some form of configuration interface for routerOS and this type of device
Here is what we don't have yet: - commercial agreement with manufacturing vendor/s to support development of solution to work with any given vDSL service (read: NBN) - compliance testing documentation to support RCM eligbility for AU environment
What needs to happen before they are made available to the AU market: - compliance testing and certification - testing (and probably some driver/firmware development) to work with NBNCo DSLAMs and other DSLAM vendors
The big hurdle to the above is in coming to some commercial agreement with one or more vendors that satisfies their need to cover costs of final stages of development and compliance testing.
My assessment of where this is all at is that the manufacturer/s have developed some 'proof of concept' hardware that seems to implement a general form of vDSL (with ADSL fallback) BUT (and that's a big BUT) there is a lot of technical work to be done to deliver sufficient confidence that they will work reliably over any particular or general vDSL network. That is not even beginning to consider whether they are likely to meet any particular regulatory compliance requirements for AU or any other jurisdiction ;)
So short story is: they are coming, perhaps, but probably not any time soon :-J
Questions (on or off list) are welcome!
Cheers, Mike.
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On 18 May 2017, at 12:54 pm, Mike Everest <mike@duxtel.com> wrote:
Hi Everyone,
I thought I'd chip in some commentary here since there is obviously plenty of interest :-}
There are at least two products around that implement some form of vDSL in an SFP module, but there are lots of hurdles preventing release to AU market which are partly commercial (vendor requests significant - circi USD100K
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Haha yeah, helps that I'm good friends with my RSP, and they also use mikrotik heavily, so will probably buy a heap of these modules if they work ;) On 26 July 2017 at 10:16, Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) < jason@upandrunningtech.com.au> wrote: > I think we're all pretty excited about the prospects of those VDSL2 and > G.Fast SFP modules (I am getting FTTC so G.Fast is probably on the cards > one day). I guess you can be the guinea pig and be the one to risk > explaining to your ISP why your port should be unlocked. ;) > > On 26 July 2017 at 10:09, Damien Gardner Jnr <rendrag@rendrag.net> wrote: > > > If you plug in a modem which does not support G.vector, the port will get > > shut down within ~10 minutes, and requires a support request from your > RSP > > to NBNco to have the port re-enabled. They don't specifically detect > modem > > model and shut down if they don't know the model though, as far as I > know. > > > > IPOE on ADSL is an interesting one, that'd make setup very easy! > > > > On 26 July 2017 at 10:05, Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) < > > jason@upandrunningtech.com.au> wrote: > > > >> Be careful, I remember reading that modems not tested and authorised for > >> NBN use can cause the port to be locked. Until someone goes to the > >> expense > >> of having them tested and approved for use in Australia (cough .. Mike?) > >> you may not get much joy. They might work on a bog standard ADSL line. > >> > >> Speaking of which, I might be late to the party but I noticed that > Telstra > >> ADSL now supports IPoE as well as PPPoE/A. I reset an old cheapie/dodgy > >> TPLink modem the other day for someone and without doing anything the PC > >> connected did a DHCP request and got a public IP/DNS! When I set the > >> modem > >> up to do IPoE it picked all that up as well but for some reason wouldn't > >> NAT or proxy the DNS. Wrote the modem off and we proceeded to order an > >> NBN > >> service. > >> > >> On 26 July 2017 at 09:57, Damien Gardner Jnr <rendrag@rendrag.net> > wrote: > >> > >> > Anyone else ordered one of the 180-T's yet? innet24.de are now > selling > >> > them, but are waiting on a firmware update (due out next week) before > >> > they're shipping more units. Looking forward to getting one and > seeing > >> how > >> > they go on NBN, if I can remove one device from the network at home, > >> I'll > >> > be very happy! > >> > > >> > On 19 May 2017 at 08:08, Thomas Jackson <thomas@thomax.com.au> wrote: > >> > > >> > > Thanks for the responses everyone > >> > > > >> > > Looks like we're using the double-sided tape again this time around > :) > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Sent from mobile > >> > > > >> > > Thomas Jackson > >> > > Managing Director > >> > > +61 2 8378 5555 > >> > > > >> > > > On 18 May 2017, at 12:54 pm, Mike Everest <mike@duxtel.com> > wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > Hi Everyone, > >> > > > > >> > > > I thought I'd chip in some commentary here since there is > obviously > >> > > plenty > >> > > > of interest :-} > >> > > > > >> > > > There are at least two products around that implement some form of > >> vDSL > >> > > in > >> > > > an SFP module, but there are lots of hurdles preventing release to > >> AU > >> > > market > >> > > > which are partly commercial (vendor requests significant - circi > >> > USD100K > >> > > - > >> > > > commitment prior to even proving viable operation on any given > >> network) > >> > > and > >> > > > partly technical (vDSL definition is somewhat 'loose' in > >> implementation > >> > > such > >> > > > that there is no guarantee that something that works well with one > >> > vendor > >> > > > DSLAM will also work with every other) > >> > > > > >> > > > At DuxTel, we've been trying to work out a solution for many > months, > >> > and > >> > > > although we are closing on a potential outcome, there is no firm > >> date > >> > for > >> > > > market readiness. > >> > > > > >> > > > One thing that we know of thus far: > >> > > > - devices are real, and actually exist ;) > >> > > > - devices work with MikroTik RouterOS to the extent that they are > >> > > recognised > >> > > > by SFP drivers and 'inserted module' parameters are reported > >> correctly > >> > > > - MikroTik are 'on board' to develop further support to implement > >> some > >> > > form > >> > > > of configuration interface for routerOS and this type of device > >> > > > > >> > > > Here is what we don't have yet: > >> > > > - commercial agreement with manufacturing vendor/s to support > >> > > development of > >> > > > solution to work with any given vDSL service (read: NBN) > >> > > > - compliance testing documentation to support RCM eligbility for > AU > >> > > > environment > >> > > > > >> > > > What needs to happen before they are made available to the AU > >> market: > >> > > > - compliance testing and certification > >> > > > - testing (and probably some driver/firmware development) to work > >> with > >> > > NBNCo > >> > > > DSLAMs and other DSLAM vendors > >> > > > > >> > > > The big hurdle to the above is in coming to some commercial > >> agreement > >> > > with > >> > > > one or more vendors that satisfies their need to cover costs of > >> final > >> > > stages > >> > > > of development and compliance testing. > >> > > > > >> > > > My assessment of where this is all at is that the manufacturer/s > >> have > >> > > > developed some 'proof of concept' hardware that seems to > implement a > >> > > general > >> > > > form of vDSL (with ADSL fallback) BUT (and that's a big BUT) there > >> is a > >> > > lot > >> > > > of technical work to be done to deliver sufficient confidence that > >> they > >> > > will > >> > > > work reliably over any particular or general vDSL network. That > is > >> not > >> > > even > >> > > > beginning to consider whether they are likely to meet any > particular > >> > > > regulatory compliance requirements for AU or any other > jurisdiction > >> ;) > >> > > > > >> > > > So short story is: they are coming, perhaps, but probably not any > >> time > >> > > soon > >> > > > :-J > >> > > > > >> > > > Questions (on or off list) are welcome! > >> > > > > >> > > > Cheers, Mike. > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > > Public mailing list > >> > > > Public@talk.mikrotik.com.au > >> > > > http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk. > >> > mikrotik.com.au > >> > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > Public mailing list > >> > > Public@talk.mikrotik.com.au > >> > > http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk.mik > >> rotik.com.au > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > > >> > Damien Gardner Jnr > >> > VK2TDG. Dip EE. GradIEAust > >> > rendrag@rendrag.net - http://www.rendrag.net/ > >> > -- > >> > We rode on the winds of the rising storm, > >> > We ran to the sounds of thunder. > >> > We danced among the lightning bolts, > >> > and tore the world asunder > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Public mailing list > >> > Public@talk.mikrotik.com.au > >> > http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk.mik > >> rotik.com.au > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> <https://www.upandrunningtech.com.au> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Public mailing list > >> Public@talk.mikrotik.com.au > >> http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk. > mikrotik.com.au > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Damien Gardner Jnr > > VK2TDG. Dip EE. GradIEAust > > rendrag@rendrag.net - http://www.rendrag.net/ > > -- > > We rode on the winds of the rising storm, > > We ran to the sounds of thunder. > > We danced among the lightning bolts, > > and tore the world asunder > > > > > > -- > <https://www.upandrunningtech.com.au> > _______________________________________________ > Public mailing list > Public@talk.mikrotik.com.au > http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk.mikrotik.com.au > -- Damien Gardner Jnr VK2TDG. Dip EE. GradIEAust rendrag@rendrag.net - http://www.rendrag.net/ -- We rode on the winds of the rising storm, We ran to the sounds of thunder. We danced among the lightning bolts, and tore the world asunder
If anyone would care to donate a unit, I have a service I can test it on. And as an RSP, we have direct access to the NBN portal to request reactivation if it gets blocked :) -----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) Sent: Wednesday, 26 July 2017 10:17 AM To: MikroTik Australia Public List <public@talk.mikrotik.com.au> Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] xDSL SFPs I think we're all pretty excited about the prospects of those VDSL2 and G.Fast SFP modules (I am getting FTTC so G.Fast is probably on the cards one day). I guess you can be the guinea pig and be the one to risk explaining to your ISP why your port should be unlocked. ;) On 26 July 2017 at 10:09, Damien Gardner Jnr <rendrag@rendrag.net> wrote:
If you plug in a modem which does not support G.vector, the port will get shut down within ~10 minutes, and requires a support request from your RSP to NBNco to have the port re-enabled. They don't specifically detect modem model and shut down if they don't know the model though, as far as I know.
IPOE on ADSL is an interesting one, that'd make setup very easy!
On 26 July 2017 at 10:05, Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) < jason@upandrunningtech.com.au> wrote:
Be careful, I remember reading that modems not tested and authorised for NBN use can cause the port to be locked. Until someone goes to the expense of having them tested and approved for use in Australia (cough .. Mike?) you may not get much joy. They might work on a bog standard ADSL line.
Speaking of which, I might be late to the party but I noticed that Telstra ADSL now supports IPoE as well as PPPoE/A. I reset an old cheapie/dodgy TPLink modem the other day for someone and without doing anything the PC connected did a DHCP request and got a public IP/DNS! When I set the modem up to do IPoE it picked all that up as well but for some reason wouldn't NAT or proxy the DNS. Wrote the modem off and we proceeded to order an NBN service.
On 26 July 2017 at 09:57, Damien Gardner Jnr <rendrag@rendrag.net> wrote:
Anyone else ordered one of the 180-T's yet? innet24.de are now selling them, but are waiting on a firmware update (due out next week) before they're shipping more units. Looking forward to getting one and seeing how they go on NBN, if I can remove one device from the network at home, I'll be very happy!
On 19 May 2017 at 08:08, Thomas Jackson <thomas@thomax.com.au> wrote:
Thanks for the responses everyone
Looks like we're using the double-sided tape again this time around :)
Sent from mobile
Thomas Jackson Managing Director +61 2 8378 5555
commitment prior to even proving viable operation on any given network) and partly technical (vDSL definition is somewhat 'loose' in implementation such that there is no guarantee that something that works well with one vendor DSLAM will also work with every other)
At DuxTel, we've been trying to work out a solution for many months, and although we are closing on a potential outcome, there is no firm date for market readiness.
One thing that we know of thus far: - devices are real, and actually exist ;) - devices work with MikroTik RouterOS to the extent that they are recognised by SFP drivers and 'inserted module' parameters are reported correctly - MikroTik are 'on board' to develop further support to implement some form of configuration interface for routerOS and this type of device
Here is what we don't have yet: - commercial agreement with manufacturing vendor/s to support development of solution to work with any given vDSL service (read: NBN) - compliance testing documentation to support RCM eligbility for AU environment
What needs to happen before they are made available to the AU market: - compliance testing and certification - testing (and probably some driver/firmware development) to work with NBNCo DSLAMs and other DSLAM vendors
The big hurdle to the above is in coming to some commercial agreement with one or more vendors that satisfies their need to cover costs of final stages of development and compliance testing.
My assessment of where this is all at is that the manufacturer/s have developed some 'proof of concept' hardware that seems to implement a general form of vDSL (with ADSL fallback) BUT (and that's a big BUT) there is a lot of technical work to be done to deliver sufficient confidence that they will work reliably over any particular or general vDSL network. That is not even beginning to consider whether they are likely to meet any particular regulatory compliance requirements for AU or any other jurisdiction ;)
So short story is: they are coming, perhaps, but probably not any time soon :-J
Questions (on or off list) are welcome!
Cheers, Mike.
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On 18 May 2017, at 12:54 pm, Mike Everest <mike@duxtel.com> wrote:
Hi Everyone,
I thought I'd chip in some commentary here since there is obviously plenty of interest :-}
There are at least two products around that implement some form of vDSL in an SFP module, but there are lots of hurdles preventing release to AU market which are partly commercial (vendor requests significant - circi USD100K
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That said, the http://www.proscend.com/en-gb/product/sfp/180cr.html looks interesting for linking buildings that have old CAT3 cabling in between. I reckon I could have used that sort of thing in a few places instead of wireless. Has anyone tried these sort of VDSL2 bridges? On 26 July 2017 at 10:20, Philip Loenneker <Philip.Loenneker@tasmanet.com.au > wrote: > If anyone would care to donate a unit, I have a service I can test it on. > And as an RSP, we have direct access to the NBN portal to request > reactivation if it gets blocked :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of > Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) > Sent: Wednesday, 26 July 2017 10:17 AM > To: MikroTik Australia Public List <public@talk.mikrotik.com.au> > Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] xDSL SFPs > > I think we're all pretty excited about the prospects of those VDSL2 and > G.Fast SFP modules (I am getting FTTC so G.Fast is probably on the cards > one day). I guess you can be the guinea pig and be the one to risk > explaining to your ISP why your port should be unlocked. ;) > > On 26 July 2017 at 10:09, Damien Gardner Jnr <rendrag@rendrag.net> wrote: > > > If you plug in a modem which does not support G.vector, the port will get > > shut down within ~10 minutes, and requires a support request from your > RSP > > to NBNco to have the port re-enabled. They don't specifically detect > modem > > model and shut down if they don't know the model though, as far as I > know. > > > > IPOE on ADSL is an interesting one, that'd make setup very easy! > > > > On 26 July 2017 at 10:05, Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) < > > jason@upandrunningtech.com.au> wrote: > > > >> Be careful, I remember reading that modems not tested and authorised for > >> NBN use can cause the port to be locked. Until someone goes to the > >> expense > >> of having them tested and approved for use in Australia (cough .. Mike?) > >> you may not get much joy. They might work on a bog standard ADSL line. > >> > >> Speaking of which, I might be late to the party but I noticed that > Telstra > >> ADSL now supports IPoE as well as PPPoE/A. I reset an old cheapie/dodgy > >> TPLink modem the other day for someone and without doing anything the PC > >> connected did a DHCP request and got a public IP/DNS! When I set the > >> modem > >> up to do IPoE it picked all that up as well but for some reason wouldn't > >> NAT or proxy the DNS. Wrote the modem off and we proceeded to order an > >> NBN > >> service. > >> > >> On 26 July 2017 at 09:57, Damien Gardner Jnr <rendrag@rendrag.net> > wrote: > >> > >> > Anyone else ordered one of the 180-T's yet? innet24.de are now > selling > >> > them, but are waiting on a firmware update (due out next week) before > >> > they're shipping more units. Looking forward to getting one and > seeing > >> how > >> > they go on NBN, if I can remove one device from the network at home, > >> I'll > >> > be very happy! > >> > > >> > On 19 May 2017 at 08:08, Thomas Jackson <thomas@thomax.com.au> wrote: > >> > > >> > > Thanks for the responses everyone > >> > > > >> > > Looks like we're using the double-sided tape again this time around > :) > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Sent from mobile > >> > > > >> > > Thomas Jackson > >> > > Managing Director > >> > > +61 2 8378 5555 > >> > > > >> > > > On 18 May 2017, at 12:54 pm, Mike Everest <mike@duxtel.com> > wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > Hi Everyone, > >> > > > > >> > > > I thought I'd chip in some commentary here since there is > obviously > >> > > plenty > >> > > > of interest :-} > >> > > > > >> > > > There are at least two products around that implement some form of > >> vDSL > >> > > in > >> > > > an SFP module, but there are lots of hurdles preventing release to > >> AU > >> > > market > >> > > > which are partly commercial (vendor requests significant - circi > >> > USD100K > >> > > - > >> > > > commitment prior to even proving viable operation on any given > >> network) > >> > > and > >> > > > partly technical (vDSL definition is somewhat 'loose' in > >> implementation > >> > > such > >> > > > that there is no guarantee that something that works well with one > >> > vendor > >> > > > DSLAM will also work with every other) > >> > > > > >> > > > At DuxTel, we've been trying to work out a solution for many > months, > >> > and > >> > > > although we are closing on a potential outcome, there is no firm > >> date > >> > for > >> > > > market readiness. > >> > > > > >> > > > One thing that we know of thus far: > >> > > > - devices are real, and actually exist ;) > >> > > > - devices work with MikroTik RouterOS to the extent that they are > >> > > recognised > >> > > > by SFP drivers and 'inserted module' parameters are reported > >> correctly > >> > > > - MikroTik are 'on board' to develop further support to implement > >> some > >> > > form > >> > > > of configuration interface for routerOS and this type of device > >> > > > > >> > > > Here is what we don't have yet: > >> > > > - commercial agreement with manufacturing vendor/s to support > >> > > development of > >> > > > solution to work with any given vDSL service (read: NBN) > >> > > > - compliance testing documentation to support RCM eligbility for > AU > >> > > > environment > >> > > > > >> > > > What needs to happen before they are made available to the AU > >> market: > >> > > > - compliance testing and certification > >> > > > - testing (and probably some driver/firmware development) to work > >> with > >> > > NBNCo > >> > > > DSLAMs and other DSLAM vendors > >> > > > > >> > > > The big hurdle to the above is in coming to some commercial > >> agreement > >> > > with > >> > > > one or more vendors that satisfies their need to cover costs of > >> final > >> > > stages > >> > > > of development and compliance testing. > >> > > > > >> > > > My assessment of where this is all at is that the manufacturer/s > >> have > >> > > > developed some 'proof of concept' hardware that seems to > implement a > >> > > general > >> > > > form of vDSL (with ADSL fallback) BUT (and that's a big BUT) there > >> is a > >> > > lot > >> > > > of technical work to be done to deliver sufficient confidence that > >> they > >> > > will > >> > > > work reliably over any particular or general vDSL network. That > is > >> not > >> > > even > >> > > > beginning to consider whether they are likely to meet any > particular > >> > > > regulatory compliance requirements for AU or any other > jurisdiction > >> ;) > >> > > > > >> > > > So short story is: they are coming, perhaps, but probably not any > >> time > >> > > soon > >> > > > :-J > >> > > > > >> > > > Questions (on or off list) are welcome! > >> > > > > >> > > > Cheers, Mike. > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > > Public mailing list > >> > > > Public@talk.mikrotik.com.au > >> > > > http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk. > >> > mikrotik.com.au > >> > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > Public mailing list > >> > > Public@talk.mikrotik.com.au > >> > > http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk.mik > >> rotik.com.au > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > > >> > Damien Gardner Jnr > >> > VK2TDG. Dip EE. GradIEAust > >> > rendrag@rendrag.net - http://www.rendrag.net/ > >> > -- > >> > We rode on the winds of the rising storm, > >> > We ran to the sounds of thunder. > >> > We danced among the lightning bolts, > >> > and tore the world asunder > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Public mailing list > >> > Public@talk.mikrotik.com.au > >> > http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk.mik > >> rotik.com.au > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> <https://www.upandrunningtech.com.au> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Public mailing list > >> Public@talk.mikrotik.com.au > >> http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk. > mikrotik.com.au > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Damien Gardner Jnr > > VK2TDG. Dip EE. 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I've just had a client call me and ask for a WiFi repeater to go in the house next to their motel. There's already CAT3 running between the buildings, so something like that would be a good option for me. I'd be willing to order a pair and give it a try, but I'm not sure about the legality - I presume it'd need an A-Tick approval? I've got a CRS125 in the main building and I could put a hAP ac in the house and it'd be a nice clean option, compared to using something like a Planet VC-231. -----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) Sent: Wednesday, 26 July 2017 8:37 To: MikroTik Australia Public List <public@talk.mikrotik.com.au> Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] xDSL SFPs That said, the http://www.proscend.com/en-gb/product/sfp/180cr.html looks interesting for linking buildings that have old CAT3 cabling in between. I reckon I could have used that sort of thing in a few places instead of wireless. Has anyone tried these sort of VDSL2 bridges? On 26 July 2017 at 10:20, Philip Loenneker <Philip.Loenneker@tasmanet.com.au > wrote: > If anyone would care to donate a unit, I have a service I can test it on. > And as an RSP, we have direct access to the NBN portal to request > reactivation if it gets blocked :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of > Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) > Sent: Wednesday, 26 July 2017 10:17 AM > To: MikroTik Australia Public List <public@talk.mikrotik.com.au> > Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] xDSL SFPs > > I think we're all pretty excited about the prospects of those VDSL2 > and G.Fast SFP modules (I am getting FTTC so G.Fast is probably on the > cards one day). I guess you can be the guinea pig and be the one to > risk explaining to your ISP why your port should be unlocked. ;) > > On 26 July 2017 at 10:09, Damien Gardner Jnr <rendrag@rendrag.net> wrote: > > > If you plug in a modem which does not support G.vector, the port > > will get shut down within ~10 minutes, and requires a support > > request from your > RSP > > to NBNco to have the port re-enabled. They don't specifically > > detect > modem > > model and shut down if they don't know the model though, as far as I > know. > > > > IPOE on ADSL is an interesting one, that'd make setup very easy! > > > > On 26 July 2017 at 10:05, Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) < > > jason@upandrunningtech.com.au> wrote: > > > >> Be careful, I remember reading that modems not tested and > >> authorised for NBN use can cause the port to be locked. Until > >> someone goes to the expense of having them tested and approved for > >> use in Australia (cough .. Mike?) you may not get much joy. They > >> might work on a bog standard ADSL line. > >> > >> Speaking of which, I might be late to the party but I noticed that > Telstra > >> ADSL now supports IPoE as well as PPPoE/A. I reset an old > >> cheapie/dodgy TPLink modem the other day for someone and without > >> doing anything the PC connected did a DHCP request and got a public > >> IP/DNS! When I set the modem up to do IPoE it picked all that up > >> as well but for some reason wouldn't NAT or proxy the DNS. Wrote > >> the modem off and we proceeded to order an NBN service. > >> > >> On 26 July 2017 at 09:57, Damien Gardner Jnr <rendrag@rendrag.net> > wrote: > >> > >> > Anyone else ordered one of the 180-T's yet? innet24.de are now > selling > >> > them, but are waiting on a firmware update (due out next week) > >> > before they're shipping more units. Looking forward to getting > >> > one and > seeing > >> how > >> > they go on NBN, if I can remove one device from the network at > >> > home, > >> I'll > >> > be very happy! > >> > > >> > On 19 May 2017 at 08:08, Thomas Jackson <thomas@thomax.com.au> wrote: > >> > > >> > > Thanks for the responses everyone > >> > > > >> > > Looks like we're using the double-sided tape again this time > >> > > around > :) > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Sent from mobile > >> > > > >> > > Thomas Jackson > >> > > Managing Director > >> > > +61 2 8378 5555 > >> > > > >> > > > On 18 May 2017, at 12:54 pm, Mike Everest <mike@duxtel.com> > wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > Hi Everyone, > >> > > > > >> > > > I thought I'd chip in some commentary here since there is > obviously > >> > > plenty > >> > > > of interest :-} > >> > > > > >> > > > There are at least two products around that implement some > >> > > > form of > >> vDSL > >> > > in > >> > > > an SFP module, but there are lots of hurdles preventing > >> > > > release to > >> AU > >> > > market > >> > > > which are partly commercial (vendor requests significant - > >> > > > circi > >> > USD100K > >> > > - > >> > > > commitment prior to even proving viable operation on any > >> > > > given > >> network) > >> > > and > >> > > > partly technical (vDSL definition is somewhat 'loose' in > >> implementation > >> > > such > >> > > > that there is no guarantee that something that works well > >> > > > with one > >> > vendor > >> > > > DSLAM will also work with every other) > >> > > > > >> > > > At DuxTel, we've been trying to work out a solution for many > months, > >> > and > >> > > > although we are closing on a potential outcome, there is no > >> > > > firm > >> date > >> > for > >> > > > market readiness. > >> > > > > >> > > > One thing that we know of thus far: > >> > > > - devices are real, and actually exist ;) > >> > > > - devices work with MikroTik RouterOS to the extent that they > >> > > > are > >> > > recognised > >> > > > by SFP drivers and 'inserted module' parameters are reported > >> correctly > >> > > > - MikroTik are 'on board' to develop further support to > >> > > > implement > >> some > >> > > form > >> > > > of configuration interface for routerOS and this type of > >> > > > device > >> > > > > >> > > > Here is what we don't have yet: > >> > > > - commercial agreement with manufacturing vendor/s to support > >> > > development of > >> > > > solution to work with any given vDSL service (read: NBN) > >> > > > - compliance testing documentation to support RCM eligbility > >> > > > for > AU > >> > > > environment > >> > > > > >> > > > What needs to happen before they are made available to the AU > >> market: > >> > > > - compliance testing and certification > >> > > > - testing (and probably some driver/firmware development) to > >> > > > work > >> with > >> > > NBNCo > >> > > > DSLAMs and other DSLAM vendors > >> > > > > >> > > > The big hurdle to the above is in coming to some commercial > >> agreement > >> > > with > >> > > > one or more vendors that satisfies their need to cover costs > >> > > > of > >> final > >> > > stages > >> > > > of development and compliance testing. > >> > > > > >> > > > My assessment of where this is all at is that the > >> > > > manufacturer/s > >> have > >> > > > developed some 'proof of concept' hardware that seems to > implement a > >> > > general > >> > > > form of vDSL (with ADSL fallback) BUT (and that's a big BUT) > >> > > > there > >> is a > >> > > lot > >> > > > of technical work to be done to deliver sufficient confidence > >> > > > that > >> they > >> > > will > >> > > > work reliably over any particular or general vDSL network. > >> > > > That > is > >> not > >> > > even > >> > > > beginning to consider whether they are likely to meet any > particular > >> > > > regulatory compliance requirements for AU or any other > jurisdiction > >> ;) > >> > > > > >> > > > So short story is: they are coming, perhaps, but probably not > >> > > > any > >> time > >> > > soon > >> > > > :-J > >> > > > > >> > > > Questions (on or off list) are welcome! > >> > > > > >> > > > Cheers, Mike. > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > > Public mailing list > >> > > > Public@talk.mikrotik.com.au > >> > > > http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk. > >> > mikrotik.com.au > >> > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > Public mailing list > >> > > Public@talk.mikrotik.com.au > >> > > http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk.mik > >> rotik.com.au > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > > >> > Damien Gardner Jnr > >> > VK2TDG. Dip EE. GradIEAust > >> > rendrag@rendrag.net - http://www.rendrag.net/ > >> > -- > >> > We rode on the winds of the rising storm, We ran to the sounds > >> > of thunder. > >> > We danced among the lightning bolts, and tore the world asunder > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Public mailing list > >> > Public@talk.mikrotik.com.au > >> > http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk.mik > >> rotik.com.au > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> <https://www.upandrunningtech.com.au> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Public mailing list > >> Public@talk.mikrotik.com.au > >> http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk. > mikrotik.com.au > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Damien Gardner Jnr > > VK2TDG. Dip EE. 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Yes the belt and braces and correct way is to find a version that someone has had approved for use in Australia. I don't think anyone has done that yet! It'd be nice if the manufacturer did the legwork but they only do FCC and CE. On 9 August 2017 at 16:33, Russell Hurren <russell@zeropointnetworks.com> wrote:
I've just had a client call me and ask for a WiFi repeater to go in the house next to their motel. There's already CAT3 running between the buildings, so something like that would be a good option for me. I'd be willing to order a pair and give it a try, but I'm not sure about the legality - I presume it'd need an A-Tick approval?
I've got a CRS125 in the main building and I could put a hAP ac in the house and it'd be a nice clean option, compared to using something like a Planet VC-231.
-----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) Sent: Wednesday, 26 July 2017 8:37 To: MikroTik Australia Public List <public@talk.mikrotik.com.au> Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] xDSL SFPs
That said, the http://www.proscend.com/en-gb/product/sfp/180cr.html looks interesting for linking buildings that have old CAT3 cabling in between. I reckon I could have used that sort of thing in a few places instead of wireless. Has anyone tried these sort of VDSL2 bridges?
On 26 July 2017 at 10:20, Philip Loenneker <Philip.Loenneker@tasmanet. com.au
wrote:
If anyone would care to donate a unit, I have a service I can test it on. And as an RSP, we have direct access to the NBN portal to request reactivation if it gets blocked :)
-----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) Sent: Wednesday, 26 July 2017 10:17 AM To: MikroTik Australia Public List <public@talk.mikrotik.com.au> Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] xDSL SFPs
I think we're all pretty excited about the prospects of those VDSL2 and G.Fast SFP modules (I am getting FTTC so G.Fast is probably on the cards one day). I guess you can be the guinea pig and be the one to risk explaining to your ISP why your port should be unlocked. ;)
On 26 July 2017 at 10:09, Damien Gardner Jnr <rendrag@rendrag.net> wrote:
If you plug in a modem which does not support G.vector, the port will get shut down within ~10 minutes, and requires a support request from your RSP to NBNco to have the port re-enabled. They don't specifically detect modem model and shut down if they don't know the model though, as far as I know.
IPOE on ADSL is an interesting one, that'd make setup very easy!
On 26 July 2017 at 10:05, Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) < jason@upandrunningtech.com.au> wrote:
Be careful, I remember reading that modems not tested and authorised for NBN use can cause the port to be locked. Until someone goes to the expense of having them tested and approved for use in Australia (cough .. Mike?) you may not get much joy. They might work on a bog standard ADSL line.
Speaking of which, I might be late to the party but I noticed that Telstra ADSL now supports IPoE as well as PPPoE/A. I reset an old cheapie/dodgy TPLink modem the other day for someone and without doing anything the PC connected did a DHCP request and got a public IP/DNS! When I set the modem up to do IPoE it picked all that up as well but for some reason wouldn't NAT or proxy the DNS. Wrote the modem off and we proceeded to order an NBN service.
On 26 July 2017 at 09:57, Damien Gardner Jnr <rendrag@rendrag.net> wrote:
Anyone else ordered one of the 180-T's yet? innet24.de are now selling them, but are waiting on a firmware update (due out next week) before they're shipping more units. Looking forward to getting one and seeing how they go on NBN, if I can remove one device from the network at home, I'll be very happy!
On 19 May 2017 at 08:08, Thomas Jackson <thomas@thomax.com.au> wrote:
Thanks for the responses everyone
Looks like we're using the double-sided tape again this time around :)
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Thomas Jackson Managing Director +61 2 8378 5555
> On 18 May 2017, at 12:54 pm, Mike Everest <mike@duxtel.com> wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > I thought I'd chip in some commentary here since there is obviously plenty > of interest :-} > > There are at least two products around that implement some > form of vDSL in > an SFP module, but there are lots of hurdles preventing > release to AU market > which are partly commercial (vendor requests significant - > circi USD100K - > commitment prior to even proving viable operation on any > given network) and > partly technical (vDSL definition is somewhat 'loose' in implementation such > that there is no guarantee that something that works well > with one vendor > DSLAM will also work with every other) > > At DuxTel, we've been trying to work out a solution for many months, and > although we are closing on a potential outcome, there is no > firm date for > market readiness. > > One thing that we know of thus far: > - devices are real, and actually exist ;) > - devices work with MikroTik RouterOS to the extent that they > are recognised > by SFP drivers and 'inserted module' parameters are reported correctly > - MikroTik are 'on board' to develop further support to > implement some form > of configuration interface for routerOS and this type of > device > > Here is what we don't have yet: > - commercial agreement with manufacturing vendor/s to support development of > solution to work with any given vDSL service (read: NBN) > - compliance testing documentation to support RCM eligbility > for AU > environment > > What needs to happen before they are made available to the AU market: > - compliance testing and certification > - testing (and probably some driver/firmware development) to > work with NBNCo > DSLAMs and other DSLAM vendors > > The big hurdle to the above is in coming to some commercial agreement with > one or more vendors that satisfies their need to cover costs > of final stages > of development and compliance testing. > > My assessment of where this is all at is that the > manufacturer/s have > developed some 'proof of concept' hardware that seems to implement a general > form of vDSL (with ADSL fallback) BUT (and that's a big BUT) > there is a lot > of technical work to be done to deliver sufficient confidence > that they will > work reliably over any particular or general vDSL network. > That is not even > beginning to consider whether they are likely to meet any particular > regulatory compliance requirements for AU or any other jurisdiction ;) > > So short story is: they are coming, perhaps, but probably not > any time soon > :-J > > Questions (on or off list) are welcome! > > Cheers, Mike. > > > _______________________________________________ > Public mailing list > Public@talk.mikrotik.com.au > http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk. mikrotik.com.au
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If it's a private CAT3 cable there are no approvals required as it's just a private link. We use the Planet VC-231 bridges for that sort of thing, they are pretty good and will do 100/100 over a couple of hundred metres with good cable. Regards Paul -----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) Sent: Wednesday, 9 August 2017 4:41 PM To: MikroTik Australia Public List Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] xDSL SFPs Yes the belt and braces and correct way is to find a version that someone has had approved for use in Australia. I don't think anyone has done that yet! It'd be nice if the manufacturer did the legwork but they only do FCC and CE. On 9 August 2017 at 16:33, Russell Hurren <russell@zeropointnetworks.com> wrote:
I've just had a client call me and ask for a WiFi repeater to go in the house next to their motel. There's already CAT3 running between the buildings, so something like that would be a good option for me. I'd be willing to order a pair and give it a try, but I'm not sure about the legality - I presume it'd need an A-Tick approval?
I've got a CRS125 in the main building and I could put a hAP ac in the house and it'd be a nice clean option, compared to using something like a Planet VC-231.
-----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) Sent: Wednesday, 26 July 2017 8:37 To: MikroTik Australia Public List <public@talk.mikrotik.com.au> Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] xDSL SFPs
That said, the http://www.proscend.com/en-gb/product/sfp/180cr.html looks interesting for linking buildings that have old CAT3 cabling in between. I reckon I could have used that sort of thing in a few places instead of wireless. Has anyone tried these sort of VDSL2 bridges?
On 26 July 2017 at 10:20, Philip Loenneker <Philip.Loenneker@tasmanet. com.au
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If anyone would care to donate a unit, I have a service I can test it on. And as an RSP, we have direct access to the NBN portal to request reactivation if it gets blocked :)
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I think we're all pretty excited about the prospects of those VDSL2 and G.Fast SFP modules (I am getting FTTC so G.Fast is probably on the cards one day). I guess you can be the guinea pig and be the one to risk explaining to your ISP why your port should be unlocked. ;)
On 26 July 2017 at 10:09, Damien Gardner Jnr <rendrag@rendrag.net> wrote:
If you plug in a modem which does not support G.vector, the port will get shut down within ~10 minutes, and requires a support request from your RSP to NBNco to have the port re-enabled. They don't specifically detect modem model and shut down if they don't know the model though, as far as I know.
IPOE on ADSL is an interesting one, that'd make setup very easy!
On 26 July 2017 at 10:05, Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) < jason@upandrunningtech.com.au> wrote:
Be careful, I remember reading that modems not tested and authorised for NBN use can cause the port to be locked. Until someone goes to the expense of having them tested and approved for use in Australia (cough .. Mike?) you may not get much joy. They might work on a bog standard ADSL line.
Speaking of which, I might be late to the party but I noticed that Telstra ADSL now supports IPoE as well as PPPoE/A. I reset an old cheapie/dodgy TPLink modem the other day for someone and without doing anything the PC connected did a DHCP request and got a public IP/DNS! When I set the modem up to do IPoE it picked all that up as well but for some reason wouldn't NAT or proxy the DNS. Wrote the modem off and we proceeded to order an NBN service.
On 26 July 2017 at 09:57, Damien Gardner Jnr <rendrag@rendrag.net> wrote:
Anyone else ordered one of the 180-T's yet? innet24.de are now selling them, but are waiting on a firmware update (due out next week) before they're shipping more units. Looking forward to getting one and seeing how they go on NBN, if I can remove one device from the network at home, I'll be very happy!
On 19 May 2017 at 08:08, Thomas Jackson <thomas@thomax.com.au> wrote:
Thanks for the responses everyone
Looks like we're using the double-sided tape again this time around :)
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> On 18 May 2017, at 12:54 pm, Mike Everest <mike@duxtel.com> wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > I thought I'd chip in some commentary here since there is obviously plenty > of interest :-} > > There are at least two products around that implement some > form of vDSL in > an SFP module, but there are lots of hurdles preventing > release to AU market > which are partly commercial (vendor requests significant - > circi USD100K - > commitment prior to even proving viable operation on any > given network) and > partly technical (vDSL definition is somewhat 'loose' in implementation such > that there is no guarantee that something that works well > with one vendor > DSLAM will also work with every other) > > At DuxTel, we've been trying to work out a solution for > many months, and > although we are closing on a potential outcome, there is no > firm date for > market readiness. > > One thing that we know of thus far: > - devices are real, and actually exist ;) > - devices work with MikroTik RouterOS to the extent that > they are recognised > by SFP drivers and 'inserted module' parameters are > reported correctly > - MikroTik are 'on board' to develop further support to > implement some form > of configuration interface for routerOS and this type of > device > > Here is what we don't have yet: > - commercial agreement with manufacturing vendor/s to > support development of > solution to work with any given vDSL service (read: NBN) > - compliance testing documentation to support RCM > eligbility for AU > environment > > What needs to happen before they are made available to the > AU market: > - compliance testing and certification > - testing (and probably some driver/firmware development) > to work with NBNCo > DSLAMs and other DSLAM vendors > > The big hurdle to the above is in coming to some commercial agreement with > one or more vendors that satisfies their need to cover > costs of final stages > of development and compliance testing. > > My assessment of where this is all at is that the > manufacturer/s have > developed some 'proof of concept' hardware that seems to implement a general > form of vDSL (with ADSL fallback) BUT (and that's a big > BUT) there is a lot > of technical work to be done to deliver sufficient > confidence that they will > work reliably over any particular or general vDSL network. > That is not even > beginning to consider whether they are likely to meet any particular > regulatory compliance requirements for AU or any other jurisdiction ;) > > So short story is: they are coming, perhaps, but probably > not any time soon > :-J > > Questions (on or off list) are welcome! > > Cheers, Mike. > > > _______________________________________________ > Public mailing list > Public@talk.mikrotik.com.au > http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk. mikrotik.com.au
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That's partly true. As it's an active device it still needs C-Tick approval for electromagnetic compatibility and susceptibility reasons. There are likely even considerations for electrical isolation as it can connect two sites on different AC phases and potentials. Considering it's pumping HF energy into a long wire it's like a radio transmitter anyway so it definitely needs to comply. On 9 August 2017 at 16:45, Paul Julian <paul@oxygennetworks.com.au> wrote:
If it's a private CAT3 cable there are no approvals required as it's just a private link.
We use the Planet VC-231 bridges for that sort of thing, they are pretty good and will do 100/100 over a couple of hundred metres with good cable.
Regards Paul
-----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) Sent: Wednesday, 9 August 2017 4:41 PM To: MikroTik Australia Public List Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] xDSL SFPs
Yes the belt and braces and correct way is to find a version that someone has had approved for use in Australia. I don't think anyone has done that yet! It'd be nice if the manufacturer did the legwork but they only do FCC and CE.
On 9 August 2017 at 16:33, Russell Hurren <russell@zeropointnetworks.com> wrote:
I've just had a client call me and ask for a WiFi repeater to go in the house next to their motel. There's already CAT3 running between the buildings, so something like that would be a good option for me. I'd be willing to order a pair and give it a try, but I'm not sure about the legality - I presume it'd need an A-Tick approval?
I've got a CRS125 in the main building and I could put a hAP ac in the house and it'd be a nice clean option, compared to using something like a Planet VC-231.
-----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) Sent: Wednesday, 26 July 2017 8:37 To: MikroTik Australia Public List <public@talk.mikrotik.com.au> Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] xDSL SFPs
That said, the http://www.proscend.com/en-gb/product/sfp/180cr.html looks interesting for linking buildings that have old CAT3 cabling in between. I reckon I could have used that sort of thing in a few places instead of wireless. Has anyone tried these sort of VDSL2 bridges?
On 26 July 2017 at 10:20, Philip Loenneker <Philip.Loenneker@tasmanet. com.au
wrote:
If anyone would care to donate a unit, I have a service I can test it on. And as an RSP, we have direct access to the NBN portal to request reactivation if it gets blocked :)
-----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) Sent: Wednesday, 26 July 2017 10:17 AM To: MikroTik Australia Public List <public@talk.mikrotik.com.au> Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] xDSL SFPs
I think we're all pretty excited about the prospects of those VDSL2 and G.Fast SFP modules (I am getting FTTC so G.Fast is probably on the cards one day). I guess you can be the guinea pig and be the one to risk explaining to your ISP why your port should be unlocked. ;)
On 26 July 2017 at 10:09, Damien Gardner Jnr <rendrag@rendrag.net> wrote:
If you plug in a modem which does not support G.vector, the port will get shut down within ~10 minutes, and requires a support request from your RSP to NBNco to have the port re-enabled. They don't specifically detect modem model and shut down if they don't know the model though, as far as I know.
IPOE on ADSL is an interesting one, that'd make setup very easy!
On 26 July 2017 at 10:05, Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) < jason@upandrunningtech.com.au> wrote:
Be careful, I remember reading that modems not tested and authorised for NBN use can cause the port to be locked. Until someone goes to the expense of having them tested and approved for use in Australia (cough .. Mike?) you may not get much joy. They might work on a bog standard ADSL line.
Speaking of which, I might be late to the party but I noticed that Telstra ADSL now supports IPoE as well as PPPoE/A. I reset an old cheapie/dodgy TPLink modem the other day for someone and without doing anything the PC connected did a DHCP request and got a public IP/DNS! When I set the modem up to do IPoE it picked all that up as well but for some reason wouldn't NAT or proxy the DNS. Wrote the modem off and we proceeded to order an NBN service.
On 26 July 2017 at 09:57, Damien Gardner Jnr <rendrag@rendrag.net> wrote:
Anyone else ordered one of the 180-T's yet? innet24.de are now selling them, but are waiting on a firmware update (due out next week) before they're shipping more units. Looking forward to getting one and seeing how they go on NBN, if I can remove one device from the network at home, I'll be very happy!
On 19 May 2017 at 08:08, Thomas Jackson <thomas@thomax.com.au> wrote:
> Thanks for the responses everyone > > Looks like we're using the double-sided tape again this time > around :) > > > > Sent from mobile > > Thomas Jackson > Managing Director > +61 2 8378 5555 > > > On 18 May 2017, at 12:54 pm, Mike Everest <mike@duxtel.com> wrote: > > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > I thought I'd chip in some commentary here since there is obviously > plenty > > of interest :-} > > > > There are at least two products around that implement some > > form of vDSL > in > > an SFP module, but there are lots of hurdles preventing > > release to AU > market > > which are partly commercial (vendor requests significant - > > circi USD100K > - > > commitment prior to even proving viable operation on any > > given network) > and > > partly technical (vDSL definition is somewhat 'loose' in implementation > such > > that there is no guarantee that something that works well > > with one vendor > > DSLAM will also work with every other) > > > > At DuxTel, we've been trying to work out a solution for > > many months, and > > although we are closing on a potential outcome, there is no > > firm date for > > market readiness. > > > > One thing that we know of thus far: > > - devices are real, and actually exist ;) > > - devices work with MikroTik RouterOS to the extent that > > they are > recognised > > by SFP drivers and 'inserted module' parameters are > > reported correctly > > - MikroTik are 'on board' to develop further support to > > implement some > form > > of configuration interface for routerOS and this type of > > device > > > > Here is what we don't have yet: > > - commercial agreement with manufacturing vendor/s to > > support > development of > > solution to work with any given vDSL service (read: NBN) > > - compliance testing documentation to support RCM > > eligbility for AU > > environment > > > > What needs to happen before they are made available to the > > AU market: > > - compliance testing and certification > > - testing (and probably some driver/firmware development) > > to work with > NBNCo > > DSLAMs and other DSLAM vendors > > > > The big hurdle to the above is in coming to some commercial agreement > with > > one or more vendors that satisfies their need to cover > > costs of final > stages > > of development and compliance testing. > > > > My assessment of where this is all at is that the > > manufacturer/s have > > developed some 'proof of concept' hardware that seems to implement a > general > > form of vDSL (with ADSL fallback) BUT (and that's a big > > BUT) there is a > lot > > of technical work to be done to deliver sufficient > > confidence that they > will > > work reliably over any particular or general vDSL network. > > That is not > even > > beginning to consider whether they are likely to meet any particular > > regulatory compliance requirements for AU or any other jurisdiction ;) > > > > So short story is: they are coming, perhaps, but probably > > not any time > soon > > :-J > > > > Questions (on or off list) are welcome! > > > > Cheers, Mike. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Public mailing list > > Public@talk.mikrotik.com.au > > http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk. mikrotik.com.au > > _______________________________________________ > Public mailing list > Public@talk.mikrotik.com.au > http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk.mik rotik.com.au >
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Agreed, the VC-231's are Tick approved, PSU and Bridge, we use a lot of them when deployed as a NTU for a VDSL2 DSLAM Implementation or as a point to point VDSL2 link. C tick or A tick approval is only required when connecting telecommunication devices to public communication networks, C tick or A tick approval is required for radio communications devices, so if it's a telecommunications device connected to a private wire you don't need approval, if it's a radio communications device you need approval no matter what. The ACMA make it pretty clear on their website if you aren't sure. http://www.acma.gov.au/theACMA/bringing-communications-equipment-into-austra... Regards paul -----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) Sent: Wednesday, 9 August 2017 4:52 PM To: MikroTik Australia Public List Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] xDSL SFPs That's partly true. As it's an active device it still needs C-Tick approval for electromagnetic compatibility and susceptibility reasons. There are likely even considerations for electrical isolation as it can connect two sites on different AC phases and potentials. Considering it's pumping HF energy into a long wire it's like a radio transmitter anyway so it definitely needs to comply. On 9 August 2017 at 16:45, Paul Julian <paul@oxygennetworks.com.au> wrote:
If it's a private CAT3 cable there are no approvals required as it's just a private link.
We use the Planet VC-231 bridges for that sort of thing, they are pretty good and will do 100/100 over a couple of hundred metres with good cable.
Regards Paul
-----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) Sent: Wednesday, 9 August 2017 4:41 PM To: MikroTik Australia Public List Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] xDSL SFPs
Yes the belt and braces and correct way is to find a version that someone has had approved for use in Australia. I don't think anyone has done that yet! It'd be nice if the manufacturer did the legwork but they only do FCC and CE.
On 9 August 2017 at 16:33, Russell Hurren <russell@zeropointnetworks.com> wrote:
I've just had a client call me and ask for a WiFi repeater to go in the house next to their motel. There's already CAT3 running between the buildings, so something like that would be a good option for me. I'd be willing to order a pair and give it a try, but I'm not sure about the legality - I presume it'd need an A-Tick approval?
I've got a CRS125 in the main building and I could put a hAP ac in the house and it'd be a nice clean option, compared to using something like a Planet VC-231.
-----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) Sent: Wednesday, 26 July 2017 8:37 To: MikroTik Australia Public List <public@talk.mikrotik.com.au> Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] xDSL SFPs
That said, the http://www.proscend.com/en-gb/product/sfp/180cr.html looks interesting for linking buildings that have old CAT3 cabling in between. I reckon I could have used that sort of thing in a few places instead of wireless. Has anyone tried these sort of VDSL2 bridges?
On 26 July 2017 at 10:20, Philip Loenneker <Philip.Loenneker@tasmanet. com.au
wrote:
If anyone would care to donate a unit, I have a service I can test it on. And as an RSP, we have direct access to the NBN portal to request reactivation if it gets blocked :)
-----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) Sent: Wednesday, 26 July 2017 10:17 AM To: MikroTik Australia Public List <public@talk.mikrotik.com.au> Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] xDSL SFPs
I think we're all pretty excited about the prospects of those VDSL2 and G.Fast SFP modules (I am getting FTTC so G.Fast is probably on the cards one day). I guess you can be the guinea pig and be the one to risk explaining to your ISP why your port should be unlocked. ;)
On 26 July 2017 at 10:09, Damien Gardner Jnr <rendrag@rendrag.net> wrote:
If you plug in a modem which does not support G.vector, the port will get shut down within ~10 minutes, and requires a support request from your RSP to NBNco to have the port re-enabled. They don't specifically detect modem model and shut down if they don't know the model though, as far as I know.
IPOE on ADSL is an interesting one, that'd make setup very easy!
On 26 July 2017 at 10:05, Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) < jason@upandrunningtech.com.au> wrote:
Be careful, I remember reading that modems not tested and authorised for NBN use can cause the port to be locked. Until someone goes to the expense of having them tested and approved for use in Australia (cough .. Mike?) you may not get much joy. They might work on a bog standard ADSL line.
Speaking of which, I might be late to the party but I noticed that Telstra ADSL now supports IPoE as well as PPPoE/A. I reset an old cheapie/dodgy TPLink modem the other day for someone and without doing anything the PC connected did a DHCP request and got a public IP/DNS! When I set the modem up to do IPoE it picked all that up as well but for some reason wouldn't NAT or proxy the DNS. Wrote the modem off and we proceeded to order an NBN service.
On 26 July 2017 at 09:57, Damien Gardner Jnr <rendrag@rendrag.net> wrote:
Anyone else ordered one of the 180-T's yet? innet24.de are now selling them, but are waiting on a firmware update (due out next week) before they're shipping more units. Looking forward to getting one and seeing how they go on NBN, if I can remove one device from the network at home, I'll be very happy!
On 19 May 2017 at 08:08, Thomas Jackson <thomas@thomax.com.au> wrote:
> Thanks for the responses everyone > > Looks like we're using the double-sided tape again this > time around :) > > > > Sent from mobile > > Thomas Jackson > Managing Director > +61 2 8378 5555 > > > On 18 May 2017, at 12:54 pm, Mike Everest > > <mike@duxtel.com> wrote: > > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > I thought I'd chip in some commentary here since there is obviously > plenty > > of interest :-} > > > > There are at least two products around that implement > > some form of vDSL > in > > an SFP module, but there are lots of hurdles preventing > > release to AU > market > > which are partly commercial (vendor requests significant > > - circi USD100K > - > > commitment prior to even proving viable operation on any > > given network) > and > > partly technical (vDSL definition is somewhat 'loose' in implementation > such > > that there is no guarantee that something that works well > > with one vendor > > DSLAM will also work with every other) > > > > At DuxTel, we've been trying to work out a solution for > > many months, and > > although we are closing on a potential outcome, there is > > no firm date for > > market readiness. > > > > One thing that we know of thus far: > > - devices are real, and actually exist ;) > > - devices work with MikroTik RouterOS to the extent that > > they are > recognised > > by SFP drivers and 'inserted module' parameters are > > reported correctly > > - MikroTik are 'on board' to develop further support to > > implement some > form > > of configuration interface for routerOS and this type of > > device > > > > Here is what we don't have yet: > > - commercial agreement with manufacturing vendor/s to > > support > development of > > solution to work with any given vDSL service (read: NBN) > > - compliance testing documentation to support RCM > > eligbility for AU > > environment > > > > What needs to happen before they are made available to > > the AU market: > > - compliance testing and certification > > - testing (and probably some driver/firmware development) > > to work with > NBNCo > > DSLAMs and other DSLAM vendors > > > > The big hurdle to the above is in coming to some > > commercial agreement > with > > one or more vendors that satisfies their need to cover > > costs of final > stages > > of development and compliance testing. > > > > My assessment of where this is all at is that the > > manufacturer/s have > > developed some 'proof of concept' hardware that seems to implement a > general > > form of vDSL (with ADSL fallback) BUT (and that's a big > > BUT) there is a > lot > > of technical work to be done to deliver sufficient > > confidence that they > will > > work reliably over any particular or general vDSL network. > > That is not > even > > beginning to consider whether they are likely to meet any particular > > regulatory compliance requirements for AU or any other jurisdiction ;) > > > > So short story is: they are coming, perhaps, but probably > > not any time > soon > > :-J > > > > Questions (on or off list) are welcome! > > > > Cheers, Mike. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Public mailing list > > Public@talk.mikrotik.com.au > > http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk. mikrotik.com.au > > _______________________________________________ > Public mailing list > Public@talk.mikrotik.com.au > http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk.mi > k rotik.com.au >
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Thanks for that How do they define 'connected to public communication networks' though? This would be a private network segment, but there's VDSL and ADSL modems attached to the router that connect to the public network. Perhaps it's best if I stick with the VC-231, which is tried and tested. Regards Russell -----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Paul Julian Sent: Wednesday, 9 August 2017 15:05 To: jason@upandrunningtech.com.au; 'MikroTik Australia Public List' <public@talk.mikrotik.com.au> Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] xDSL SFPs Agreed, the VC-231's are Tick approved, PSU and Bridge, we use a lot of them when deployed as a NTU for a VDSL2 DSLAM Implementation or as a point to point VDSL2 link. C tick or A tick approval is only required when connecting telecommunication devices to public communication networks, C tick or A tick approval is required for radio communications devices, so if it's a telecommunications device connected to a private wire you don't need approval, if it's a radio communications device you need approval no matter what. The ACMA make it pretty clear on their website if you aren't sure. http://www.acma.gov.au/theACMA/bringing-communications-equipment-into-austra... Regards paul -----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) Sent: Wednesday, 9 August 2017 4:52 PM To: MikroTik Australia Public List Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] xDSL SFPs That's partly true. As it's an active device it still needs C-Tick approval for electromagnetic compatibility and susceptibility reasons. There are likely even considerations for electrical isolation as it can connect two sites on different AC phases and potentials. Considering it's pumping HF energy into a long wire it's like a radio transmitter anyway so it definitely needs to comply. On 9 August 2017 at 16:45, Paul Julian <paul@oxygennetworks.com.au> wrote:
If it's a private CAT3 cable there are no approvals required as it's just a private link.
We use the Planet VC-231 bridges for that sort of thing, they are pretty good and will do 100/100 over a couple of hundred metres with good cable.
Regards Paul
-----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) Sent: Wednesday, 9 August 2017 4:41 PM To: MikroTik Australia Public List Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] xDSL SFPs
Yes the belt and braces and correct way is to find a version that someone has had approved for use in Australia. I don't think anyone has done that yet! It'd be nice if the manufacturer did the legwork but they only do FCC and CE.
On 9 August 2017 at 16:33, Russell Hurren <russell@zeropointnetworks.com> wrote:
I've just had a client call me and ask for a WiFi repeater to go in the house next to their motel. There's already CAT3 running between the buildings, so something like that would be a good option for me. I'd be willing to order a pair and give it a try, but I'm not sure about the legality - I presume it'd need an A-Tick approval?
I've got a CRS125 in the main building and I could put a hAP ac in the house and it'd be a nice clean option, compared to using something like a Planet VC-231.
-----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) Sent: Wednesday, 26 July 2017 8:37 To: MikroTik Australia Public List <public@talk.mikrotik.com.au> Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] xDSL SFPs
That said, the http://www.proscend.com/en-gb/product/sfp/180cr.html looks interesting for linking buildings that have old CAT3 cabling in between. I reckon I could have used that sort of thing in a few places instead of wireless. Has anyone tried these sort of VDSL2 bridges?
On 26 July 2017 at 10:20, Philip Loenneker <Philip.Loenneker@tasmanet. com.au
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If anyone would care to donate a unit, I have a service I can test it on. And as an RSP, we have direct access to the NBN portal to request reactivation if it gets blocked :)
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I think we're all pretty excited about the prospects of those VDSL2 and G.Fast SFP modules (I am getting FTTC so G.Fast is probably on the cards one day). I guess you can be the guinea pig and be the one to risk explaining to your ISP why your port should be unlocked. ;)
On 26 July 2017 at 10:09, Damien Gardner Jnr <rendrag@rendrag.net> wrote:
If you plug in a modem which does not support G.vector, the port will get shut down within ~10 minutes, and requires a support request from your RSP to NBNco to have the port re-enabled. They don't specifically detect modem model and shut down if they don't know the model though, as far as I know.
IPOE on ADSL is an interesting one, that'd make setup very easy!
On 26 July 2017 at 10:05, Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) < jason@upandrunningtech.com.au> wrote:
Be careful, I remember reading that modems not tested and authorised for NBN use can cause the port to be locked. Until someone goes to the expense of having them tested and approved for use in Australia (cough .. Mike?) you may not get much joy. They might work on a bog standard ADSL line.
Speaking of which, I might be late to the party but I noticed that Telstra ADSL now supports IPoE as well as PPPoE/A. I reset an old cheapie/dodgy TPLink modem the other day for someone and without doing anything the PC connected did a DHCP request and got a public IP/DNS! When I set the modem up to do IPoE it picked all that up as well but for some reason wouldn't NAT or proxy the DNS. Wrote the modem off and we proceeded to order an NBN service.
On 26 July 2017 at 09:57, Damien Gardner Jnr <rendrag@rendrag.net> wrote:
Anyone else ordered one of the 180-T's yet? innet24.de are now selling them, but are waiting on a firmware update (due out next week) before they're shipping more units. Looking forward to getting one and seeing how they go on NBN, if I can remove one device from the network at home, I'll be very happy!
On 19 May 2017 at 08:08, Thomas Jackson <thomas@thomax.com.au> wrote:
> Thanks for the responses everyone > > Looks like we're using the double-sided tape again this > time around :) > > > > Sent from mobile > > Thomas Jackson > Managing Director > +61 2 8378 5555 > > > On 18 May 2017, at 12:54 pm, Mike Everest > > <mike@duxtel.com> wrote: > > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > I thought I'd chip in some commentary here since there is obviously > plenty > > of interest :-} > > > > There are at least two products around that implement > > some form of vDSL > in > > an SFP module, but there are lots of hurdles preventing > > release to AU > market > > which are partly commercial (vendor requests significant > > - circi USD100K > - > > commitment prior to even proving viable operation on any > > given network) > and > > partly technical (vDSL definition is somewhat 'loose' in implementation > such > > that there is no guarantee that something that works well > > with one vendor > > DSLAM will also work with every other) > > > > At DuxTel, we've been trying to work out a solution for > > many months, and > > although we are closing on a potential outcome, there is > > no firm date for > > market readiness. > > > > One thing that we know of thus far: > > - devices are real, and actually exist ;) > > - devices work with MikroTik RouterOS to the extent that > > they are > recognised > > by SFP drivers and 'inserted module' parameters are > > reported correctly > > - MikroTik are 'on board' to develop further support to > > implement some > form > > of configuration interface for routerOS and this type of > > device > > > > Here is what we don't have yet: > > - commercial agreement with manufacturing vendor/s to > > support > development of > > solution to work with any given vDSL service (read: NBN) > > - compliance testing documentation to support RCM > > eligbility for AU > > environment > > > > What needs to happen before they are made available to > > the AU market: > > - compliance testing and certification > > - testing (and probably some driver/firmware development) > > to work with > NBNCo > > DSLAMs and other DSLAM vendors > > > > The big hurdle to the above is in coming to some > > commercial agreement > with > > one or more vendors that satisfies their need to cover > > costs of final > stages > > of development and compliance testing. > > > > My assessment of where this is all at is that the > > manufacturer/s have > > developed some 'proof of concept' hardware that seems to implement a > general > > form of vDSL (with ADSL fallback) BUT (and that's a big > > BUT) there is a > lot > > of technical work to be done to deliver sufficient > > confidence that they > will > > work reliably over any particular or general vDSL network. > > That is not > even > > beginning to consider whether they are likely to meet any particular > > regulatory compliance requirements for AU or any other jurisdiction ;) > > > > So short story is: they are coming, perhaps, but probably > > not any time > soon > > :-J > > > > Questions (on or off list) are welcome! > > > > Cheers, Mike. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Public mailing list > > Public@talk.mikrotik.com.au > > http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk. mikrotik.com.au > > _______________________________________________ > Public mailing list > Public@talk.mikrotik.com.au > http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk.mi > k rotik.com.au >
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Hey Russell, if it were on an isolated cable segment then it should be fine, if there was a public network connection on the other side of a device it was connected to and that device was approved it would also be fine, but yeh I would stick with the 231's Regards Paul -----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Russell Hurren Sent: Wednesday, 9 August 2017 5:13 PM To: MikroTik Australia Public List Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] xDSL SFPs Thanks for that How do they define 'connected to public communication networks' though? This would be a private network segment, but there's VDSL and ADSL modems attached to the router that connect to the public network. Perhaps it's best if I stick with the VC-231, which is tried and tested. Regards Russell -----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Paul Julian Sent: Wednesday, 9 August 2017 15:05 To: jason@upandrunningtech.com.au; 'MikroTik Australia Public List' <public@talk.mikrotik.com.au> Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] xDSL SFPs Agreed, the VC-231's are Tick approved, PSU and Bridge, we use a lot of them when deployed as a NTU for a VDSL2 DSLAM Implementation or as a point to point VDSL2 link. C tick or A tick approval is only required when connecting telecommunication devices to public communication networks, C tick or A tick approval is required for radio communications devices, so if it's a telecommunications device connected to a private wire you don't need approval, if it's a radio communications device you need approval no matter what. The ACMA make it pretty clear on their website if you aren't sure. http://www.acma.gov.au/theACMA/bringing-communications-equipment-into-austra... Regards paul -----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) Sent: Wednesday, 9 August 2017 4:52 PM To: MikroTik Australia Public List Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] xDSL SFPs That's partly true. As it's an active device it still needs C-Tick approval for electromagnetic compatibility and susceptibility reasons. There are likely even considerations for electrical isolation as it can connect two sites on different AC phases and potentials. Considering it's pumping HF energy into a long wire it's like a radio transmitter anyway so it definitely needs to comply. On 9 August 2017 at 16:45, Paul Julian <paul@oxygennetworks.com.au> wrote:
If it's a private CAT3 cable there are no approvals required as it's just a private link.
We use the Planet VC-231 bridges for that sort of thing, they are pretty good and will do 100/100 over a couple of hundred metres with good cable.
Regards Paul
-----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) Sent: Wednesday, 9 August 2017 4:41 PM To: MikroTik Australia Public List Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] xDSL SFPs
Yes the belt and braces and correct way is to find a version that someone has had approved for use in Australia. I don't think anyone has done that yet! It'd be nice if the manufacturer did the legwork but they only do FCC and CE.
On 9 August 2017 at 16:33, Russell Hurren <russell@zeropointnetworks.com> wrote:
I've just had a client call me and ask for a WiFi repeater to go in the house next to their motel. There's already CAT3 running between the buildings, so something like that would be a good option for me. I'd be willing to order a pair and give it a try, but I'm not sure about the legality - I presume it'd need an A-Tick approval?
I've got a CRS125 in the main building and I could put a hAP ac in the house and it'd be a nice clean option, compared to using something like a Planet VC-231.
-----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) Sent: Wednesday, 26 July 2017 8:37 To: MikroTik Australia Public List <public@talk.mikrotik.com.au> Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] xDSL SFPs
That said, the http://www.proscend.com/en-gb/product/sfp/180cr.html looks interesting for linking buildings that have old CAT3 cabling in between. I reckon I could have used that sort of thing in a few places instead of wireless. Has anyone tried these sort of VDSL2 bridges?
On 26 July 2017 at 10:20, Philip Loenneker <Philip.Loenneker@tasmanet. com.au
wrote:
If anyone would care to donate a unit, I have a service I can test it on. And as an RSP, we have direct access to the NBN portal to request reactivation if it gets blocked :)
-----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) Sent: Wednesday, 26 July 2017 10:17 AM To: MikroTik Australia Public List <public@talk.mikrotik.com.au> Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] xDSL SFPs
I think we're all pretty excited about the prospects of those VDSL2 and G.Fast SFP modules (I am getting FTTC so G.Fast is probably on the cards one day). I guess you can be the guinea pig and be the one to risk explaining to your ISP why your port should be unlocked. ;)
On 26 July 2017 at 10:09, Damien Gardner Jnr <rendrag@rendrag.net> wrote:
If you plug in a modem which does not support G.vector, the port will get shut down within ~10 minutes, and requires a support request from your RSP to NBNco to have the port re-enabled. They don't specifically detect modem model and shut down if they don't know the model though, as far as I know.
IPOE on ADSL is an interesting one, that'd make setup very easy!
On 26 July 2017 at 10:05, Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) < jason@upandrunningtech.com.au> wrote:
Be careful, I remember reading that modems not tested and authorised for NBN use can cause the port to be locked. Until someone goes to the expense of having them tested and approved for use in Australia (cough .. Mike?) you may not get much joy. They might work on a bog standard ADSL line.
Speaking of which, I might be late to the party but I noticed that Telstra ADSL now supports IPoE as well as PPPoE/A. I reset an old cheapie/dodgy TPLink modem the other day for someone and without doing anything the PC connected did a DHCP request and got a public IP/DNS! When I set the modem up to do IPoE it picked all that up as well but for some reason wouldn't NAT or proxy the DNS. Wrote the modem off and we proceeded to order an NBN service.
On 26 July 2017 at 09:57, Damien Gardner Jnr <rendrag@rendrag.net> wrote:
Anyone else ordered one of the 180-T's yet? innet24.de are now selling them, but are waiting on a firmware update (due out next week) before they're shipping more units. Looking forward to getting one and seeing how they go on NBN, if I can remove one device from the network at home, I'll be very happy!
On 19 May 2017 at 08:08, Thomas Jackson <thomas@thomax.com.au> wrote:
> Thanks for the responses everyone > > Looks like we're using the double-sided tape again this > time around :) > > > > Sent from mobile > > Thomas Jackson > Managing Director > +61 2 8378 5555 > > > On 18 May 2017, at 12:54 pm, Mike Everest > > <mike@duxtel.com> wrote: > > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > I thought I'd chip in some commentary here since there is obviously > plenty > > of interest :-} > > > > There are at least two products around that implement > > some form of vDSL > in > > an SFP module, but there are lots of hurdles preventing > > release to AU > market > > which are partly commercial (vendor requests significant > > - circi USD100K > - > > commitment prior to even proving viable operation on any > > given network) > and > > partly technical (vDSL definition is somewhat 'loose' in implementation > such > > that there is no guarantee that something that works well > > with one vendor > > DSLAM will also work with every other) > > > > At DuxTel, we've been trying to work out a solution for > > many months, and > > although we are closing on a potential outcome, there is > > no firm date for > > market readiness. > > > > One thing that we know of thus far: > > - devices are real, and actually exist ;) > > - devices work with MikroTik RouterOS to the extent that > > they are > recognised > > by SFP drivers and 'inserted module' parameters are > > reported correctly > > - MikroTik are 'on board' to develop further support to > > implement some > form > > of configuration interface for routerOS and this type of > > device > > > > Here is what we don't have yet: > > - commercial agreement with manufacturing vendor/s to > > support > development of > > solution to work with any given vDSL service (read: NBN) > > - compliance testing documentation to support RCM > > eligbility for AU > > environment > > > > What needs to happen before they are made available to > > the AU market: > > - compliance testing and certification > > - testing (and probably some driver/firmware development) > > to work with > NBNCo > > DSLAMs and other DSLAM vendors > > > > The big hurdle to the above is in coming to some > > commercial agreement > with > > one or more vendors that satisfies their need to cover > > costs of final > stages > > of development and compliance testing. > > > > My assessment of where this is all at is that the > > manufacturer/s have > > developed some 'proof of concept' hardware that seems to implement a > general > > form of vDSL (with ADSL fallback) BUT (and that's a big > > BUT) there is a > lot > > of technical work to be done to deliver sufficient > > confidence that they > will > > work reliably over any particular or general vDSL network. > > That is not > even > > beginning to consider whether they are likely to meet any particular > > regulatory compliance requirements for AU or any other jurisdiction ;) > > > > So short story is: they are coming, perhaps, but probably > > not any time > soon > > :-J > > > > Questions (on or off list) are welcome! > > > > Cheers, Mike. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Public mailing list > > Public@talk.mikrotik.com.au > > http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk. mikrotik.com.au > > _______________________________________________ > Public mailing list > Public@talk.mikrotik.com.au > http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk.mi > k rotik.com.au >
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Damien Gardner Jnr -
Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) -
Matt Perkins -
Mike Everest -
Paul Julian -
Philip Loenneker -
Russell Hurren -
Thomas Jackson