I have banged on a bit in the past concerning Telit miniPCIe LTE modules which work on Band 28 in a Mikrotik. A few months ago I bought a Telit LE910C1-AP from Glyn in Sydney to see if it came up in LTE mode on the Mikrotik seeing as a lot of work has been done to improve LTE in ROS. Alas, no joy so I left it. I recently saw mention of support for a Telit module in 6.44.rc1 so I decided to revisit the whole thing. It works! The Telit MiniPCI module is: Telit LE910C1-AP https://www.telit.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Telit_LE910C1_Hardware_User... It supports: LTE FDD bands 1, 3, 5, 8, 28 and HSPA+ bands 1, 5, 8 CAT1 speeds 10Mbit down / 5Mbit Up. With speedtest.net I got 9.62/4.86 (ping 29ms) Antenna: SRFL026 (single antenna - no diversity) https://antenova.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Mitis-SRFL026-PS-1.1.pdf Price: $128 inc GST, shipping and patch antenna above as a kit from Glyn's webstore. Talk to these guys if you want to order one. http://www.glynstore.com/pages/Contact-Us.html Dean and Leo are always very nice and helpful with sales and support. A company I used to work for bought a lot of Telit 2G modules from Glyn. Mikrotik Board: RB411 ROS: 6.34rc2 Carrier: Telstra (Two B28 towers within 2kms of me) The board interface comes up as 'usb' in ROS which has 7 channels. I tested all the channels with a telnet client and the remote access setting in ROS using RFC2217. Eventually I discovered channels 4 and 5 respond as a serial interface and it responds to AT commands. For example ----- at&v DTE SPEED : 115200 DTE FORMAT : 8N1 GSM DATA MODE : Not Transparent AUTOBAUD : +IPRxxx00=NO COMMAND ECHO : E1=YES RESULT MESSAGES : Q0=YES VERBOSE MESSAGES : V1=YES EXTENDED MESSAGES : X1=YES LINE SPEED : F0=autodetect CONSTANT DTE SPEED : YES FLOW CONTROL OPTIONS : &K3=HW bidirect. ERROR CORRECTION MODE : RLP CTS (C106) OPTIONS : &B2=OFF while disc. DSR (C107) OPTIONS : &S3=PHONE ready->ON DTR (C108) OPTIONS : &D0=ignored DCD (C109) OPTIONS : &C1=follows carrier RI (C125) OPTIONS : \R1=OFF dur. off-hk C108/1 OPERATION : &D4=NO POWER SAVING ON DTR : +CFUN:1=NO DEFAULT PROFILE : &Y0=user profile 1 OK ----- Great! Obviously the mode of operation for this unit was going to be PPP. This is all you need to get it working in ROS: /interface ppp-client add apn=telstra.internet data-channel=4 dial-command=ATD disabled=no \ info-channel=5 name=ppp-out1 phone=*99# port=usb2 profile=Telstra The beauty of this you get to use the assigned carrier grade NAT IP address from Telstra (for example 10.98.250.114) instead of the double NATed address that comes off a lot of dongles. The RB411 has a sloooow 300MHz CPU so it takes a few minutes for the built in serial port and usb2 to come up in the System->Ports menu. Concerning also is when making changes to or enabling the PPP interface would sometimes fail with: "couldn't change interface <ppp-out1> - object doesn't exist (4)" which is baloney of course. A second attempt always seems to work. The next step is to try it out in a RBwAPR. There are faster CAT11 (more expensive) and slower Cat-M1 modules available too but I have yet to try these out. The LE910C1-AP seems good for those that need B28 at decent speeds for OOBE access or 4G failover in Mikrotik now that Sierra is a distant memory. The new Gen2 NBN routers from Telstra fail over to 6/1Mbit speeds so 10/5 seems OK to me for an industrial rated LTE modem. The module also supports and has connectors for a GPS and a 4G diversity antenna but I have yet to test them out. Jason Hecker
-----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) Sent: Sunday, 24 February 2019 2:17 PM To: MikroTik Australia Public List <public@talk.mikrotik.com.au> Subject: [MT-AU Public] B28 LTE modem success
I have banged on a bit in the past concerning Telit miniPCIe LTE modules which work on Band 28 in a Mikrotik. A few months ago I bought a Telit LE910C1-AP from Glyn in Sydney to see if it came up in LTE mode on the Mikrotik seeing as a lot of work has been done to improve LTE in ROS. Alas, no joy so I left it. I recently saw mention of support for a Telit module in 6.44.rc1 so I decided to revisit the whole thing. It works!
The Telit MiniPCI module is: Telit LE910C1-AP https://www.telit.com/wp- content/uploads/2017/11/Telit_LE910C1_Hardware_User_Guide_r1_08.pdf
It supports: LTE FDD bands 1, 3, 5, 8, 28 and HSPA+ bands 1, 5, 8 CAT1 speeds 10Mbit down / 5Mbit Up. With speedtest.net I got 9.62/4.86 (ping 29ms)
Antenna: SRFL026 (single antenna - no diversity) https://antenova.com/wp- content/uploads/2016/05/Mitis-SRFL026-PS-1.1.pdf
Price: $128 inc GST, shipping and patch antenna above as a kit from Glyn's webstore. Talk to these guys if you want to order one. http://www.glynstore.com/pages/Contact-Us.html Dean and Leo are always very nice and helpful with sales and support. A company I used to work for bought a lot of Telit 2G modules from Glyn.
Mikrotik Board: RB411 ROS: 6.34rc2 Carrier: Telstra (Two B28 towers within 2kms of me)
The board interface comes up as 'usb' in ROS which has 7 channels. I tested all the channels with a telnet client and the remote access setting in ROS using RFC2217. Eventually I discovered channels 4 and 5 respond as a serial interface and it responds to AT commands. For example ----- at&v
DTE SPEED : 115200 DTE FORMAT : 8N1 GSM DATA MODE : Not Transparent AUTOBAUD : +IPRxxx00=NO COMMAND ECHO : E1=YES RESULT MESSAGES : Q0=YES VERBOSE MESSAGES : V1=YES EXTENDED MESSAGES : X1=YES LINE SPEED : F0=autodetect CONSTANT DTE SPEED : YES FLOW CONTROL OPTIONS : &K3=HW bidirect. ERROR CORRECTION MODE : RLP CTS (C106) OPTIONS : &B2=OFF while disc. DSR (C107) OPTIONS : &S3=PHONE ready->ON DTR (C108) OPTIONS : &D0=ignored DCD (C109) OPTIONS : &C1=follows carrier RI (C125) OPTIONS : \R1=OFF dur. off-hk C108/1 OPERATION : &D4=NO POWER SAVING ON DTR : +CFUN:1=NO DEFAULT PROFILE : &Y0=user profile 1
OK -----
Great! Obviously the mode of operation for this unit was going to be PPP. This is all you need to get it working in ROS:
/interface ppp-client add apn=telstra.internet data-channel=4 dial-command=ATD disabled=no \ info-channel=5 name=ppp-out1 phone=*99# port=usb2 profile=Telstra
The beauty of this you get to use the assigned carrier grade NAT IP address from Telstra (for example 10.98.250.114) instead of the double NATed address
comes off a lot of dongles.
The RB411 has a sloooow 300MHz CPU so it takes a few minutes for the built in serial port and usb2 to come up in the System->Ports menu. Concerning also is when making changes to or enabling the PPP interface would sometimes fail with: "couldn't change interface <ppp-out1> - object doesn't exist (4)" which is baloney of course. A second attempt always seems to work.
The next step is to try it out in a RBwAPR. There are faster CAT11 (more expensive) and slower Cat-M1 modules available too but I have yet to try
Just a quiet word of warning regarding this: These days you need compliance certification on the "entire assembled product" - i.e. "Router with LTE modem and LTE antennas installed" You can buy the modem independently, and if it is purchased from an AU seller, they *should* also supply a compliance certificate and ship it with RCM label applied, BUT the compliance certificate will only certify that the module is compliant in specific conditions, installed on some particular board and using some specific antenna/s. The compliance certificate will usually include some kind of disclaimer, like "only compliant in conjunction with these products, and only using this antenna" or something similar. So if you are intending to use the kit for commercial application, I encourage you to spare a few thoughts about the compliance requirements :-} Thanks for the report though! If you manage to get certification on the MikroTik combo - it is worth something to us, so please do chase me up off list! :-) Cheers, Mike. that these
out.
The LE910C1-AP seems good for those that need B28 at decent speeds for OOBE access or 4G failover in Mikrotik now that Sierra is a distant memory. The new Gen2 NBN routers from Telstra fail over to 6/1Mbit speeds so 10/5 seems OK to me for an industrial rated LTE modem.
The module also supports and has connectors for a GPS and a 4G diversity antenna but I have yet to test them out.
Jason Hecker _______________________________________________ Public mailing list Public@talk.mikrotik.com.au http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk.mikrotik.com.au
Point taken about compliance. These modules are certified for use in Australia - there is the familiar triangle-circle-tick printed on the modem label and Glyn will supply the documents. The concern is how well the built in antennas on the wAPR go at 700MHz - I expect it'll work well enough. On Sun, 24 Feb 2019 at 17:31, Mike Everest <mike@duxtel.com> wrote:
Just a quiet word of warning regarding this:
These days you need compliance certification on the "entire assembled product" - i.e. "Router with LTE modem and LTE antennas installed"
You can buy the modem independently, and if it is purchased from an AU seller, they *should* also supply a compliance certificate and ship it with RCM label applied, BUT the compliance certificate will only certify that the module is compliant in specific conditions, installed on some particular board and using some specific antenna/s. The compliance certificate will usually include some kind of disclaimer, like "only compliant in conjunction with these products, and only using this antenna" or something similar.
So if you are intending to use the kit for commercial application, I encourage you to spare a few thoughts about the compliance requirements :-}
Thanks for the report though! If you manage to get certification on the MikroTik combo - it is worth something to us, so please do chase me up off list! :-)
Cheers, Mike.
-----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) Sent: Sunday, 24 February 2019 2:17 PM To: MikroTik Australia Public List <public@talk.mikrotik.com.au> Subject: [MT-AU Public] B28 LTE modem success
I have banged on a bit in the past concerning Telit miniPCIe LTE modules which work on Band 28 in a Mikrotik. A few months ago I bought a Telit LE910C1-AP from Glyn in Sydney to see if it came up in LTE mode on the Mikrotik seeing as a lot of work has been done to improve LTE in ROS. Alas, no joy so I left it. I recently saw mention of support for a Telit module in 6.44.rc1 so I decided to revisit the whole thing. It works!
The Telit MiniPCI module is: Telit LE910C1-AP https://www.telit.com/wp- content/uploads/2017/11/Telit_LE910C1_Hardware_User_Guide_r1_08.pdf
It supports: LTE FDD bands 1, 3, 5, 8, 28 and HSPA+ bands 1, 5, 8 CAT1 speeds 10Mbit down / 5Mbit Up. With speedtest.net I got 9.62/4.86 (ping 29ms)
Antenna: SRFL026 (single antenna - no diversity) https://antenova.com/wp- content/uploads/2016/05/Mitis-SRFL026-PS-1.1.pdf
Price: $128 inc GST, shipping and patch antenna above as a kit from Glyn's webstore. Talk to these guys if you want to order one. http://www.glynstore.com/pages/Contact-Us.html Dean and Leo are always very nice and helpful with sales and support. A company I used to work for bought a lot of Telit 2G modules from Glyn.
Mikrotik Board: RB411 ROS: 6.34rc2 Carrier: Telstra (Two B28 towers within 2kms of me)
The board interface comes up as 'usb' in ROS which has 7 channels. I tested all the channels with a telnet client and the remote access setting in ROS using RFC2217. Eventually I discovered channels 4 and 5 respond as a serial interface and it responds to AT commands. For example ----- at&v
DTE SPEED : 115200 DTE FORMAT : 8N1 GSM DATA MODE : Not Transparent AUTOBAUD : +IPRxxx00=NO COMMAND ECHO : E1=YES RESULT MESSAGES : Q0=YES VERBOSE MESSAGES : V1=YES EXTENDED MESSAGES : X1=YES LINE SPEED : F0=autodetect CONSTANT DTE SPEED : YES FLOW CONTROL OPTIONS : &K3=HW bidirect. ERROR CORRECTION MODE : RLP CTS (C106) OPTIONS : &B2=OFF while disc. DSR (C107) OPTIONS : &S3=PHONE ready->ON DTR (C108) OPTIONS : &D0=ignored DCD (C109) OPTIONS : &C1=follows carrier RI (C125) OPTIONS : \R1=OFF dur. off-hk C108/1 OPERATION : &D4=NO POWER SAVING ON DTR : +CFUN:1=NO DEFAULT PROFILE : &Y0=user profile 1
OK -----
Great! Obviously the mode of operation for this unit was going to be PPP. This is all you need to get it working in ROS:
/interface ppp-client add apn=telstra.internet data-channel=4 dial-command=ATD disabled=no \ info-channel=5 name=ppp-out1 phone=*99# port=usb2 profile=Telstra
The beauty of this you get to use the assigned carrier grade NAT IP address from Telstra (for example 10.98.250.114) instead of the double NATed address that comes off a lot of dongles.
The RB411 has a sloooow 300MHz CPU so it takes a few minutes for the built in serial port and usb2 to come up in the System->Ports menu. Concerning also is when making changes to or enabling the PPP interface would sometimes fail with: "couldn't change interface <ppp-out1> - object doesn't exist (4)" which is baloney of course. A second attempt always seems to work.
The next step is to try it out in a RBwAPR. There are faster CAT11 (more expensive) and slower Cat-M1 modules available too but I have yet to try these out.
The LE910C1-AP seems good for those that need B28 at decent speeds for OOBE access or 4G failover in Mikrotik now that Sierra is a distant memory. The new Gen2 NBN routers from Telstra fail over to 6/1Mbit speeds so 10/5 seems OK to me for an industrial rated LTE modem.
The module also supports and has connectors for a GPS and a 4G diversity antenna but I have yet to test them out.
Jason Hecker _______________________________________________ Public mailing list Public@talk.mikrotik.com.au http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk.mikrotik.com.au
-- Regards, Jason Hecker <https://www.upandrunningtech.com.au>
-----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) Sent: Tuesday, 26 February 2019 8:38 AM To: MikroTik Australia Public List <public@talk.mikrotik.com.au> Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] B28 LTE modem success
Point taken about compliance. These modules are certified for use in Australia - there is the familiar triangle-circle-tick printed on the modem label and Glyn will supply the documents. The concern is how well the built in antennas on
Hi Jason! It is not possible to certify a modem like that for use in any device - there is no such 'blanket' certification in Australia like exists in other countries :-} Here, devices that have an 'air interface to a public telecommunications network' must be certified as a 'complete, fully assembled product' - the relevant compliance standard is called S0.42, and is quite clear on this matter :-} I happen to know it well, after now what is about 15 months of pain dealing with compliance red tape for the 'new' MikroTik LTE product range :-j I encourage you to ask for the 'Compliance Certificate' from Glynn (they *must* supply it if asked ;) and check whether it tells you that the modem is compliant when used in any particular product that you intend to use it with :-} Note that non-compliance does not prevent you from actually using it that way (a 60K speed limit sin does not prevent you from driving 75K ;-) but you should probably be aware of the situation, especially if you intend to use it in a commercial application, Cheers! Mike. the
wAPR go at 700MHz - I expect it'll work well enough.
On Sun, 24 Feb 2019 at 17:31, Mike Everest <mike@duxtel.com> wrote:
Just a quiet word of warning regarding this:
These days you need compliance certification on the "entire assembled product" - i.e. "Router with LTE modem and LTE antennas installed"
You can buy the modem independently, and if it is purchased from an AU seller, they *should* also supply a compliance certificate and ship it with RCM label applied, BUT the compliance certificate will only certify that the module is compliant in specific conditions, installed on some particular board and using some specific antenna/s. The compliance certificate will usually include some kind of disclaimer, like "only compliant in conjunction with these products, and only using this antenna" or something similar.
So if you are intending to use the kit for commercial application, I encourage you to spare a few thoughts about the compliance requirements :-}
Thanks for the report though! If you manage to get certification on the MikroTik combo - it is worth something to us, so please do chase me up off list! :-)
Cheers, Mike.
-----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) Sent: Sunday, 24 February 2019 2:17 PM To: MikroTik Australia Public List <public@talk.mikrotik.com.au> Subject: [MT-AU Public] B28 LTE modem success
I have banged on a bit in the past concerning Telit miniPCIe LTE modules which work on Band 28 in a Mikrotik. A few months ago I bought a Telit LE910C1-AP from Glyn in Sydney to see if it came up in LTE mode on the Mikrotik seeing as a lot of work has been done to improve LTE in ROS. Alas, no joy so I left it. I recently saw mention of support for a Telit module in 6.44.rc1 so I decided to revisit the whole thing. It works!
The Telit MiniPCI module is: Telit LE910C1-AP https://www.telit.com/wp-
content/uploads/2017/11/Telit_LE910C1_Hardware_User_Guide_r1_08.pdf
It supports: LTE FDD bands 1, 3, 5, 8, 28 and HSPA+ bands 1, 5, 8 CAT1 speeds 10Mbit down / 5Mbit Up. With speedtest.net I got 9.62/4.86
29ms)
Antenna: SRFL026 (single antenna - no diversity) https://antenova.com/wp- content/uploads/2016/05/Mitis-SRFL026-PS-1.1.pdf
Price: $128 inc GST, shipping and patch antenna above as a kit from Glyn's webstore. Talk to these guys if you want to order one. http://www.glynstore.com/pages/Contact-Us.html Dean and Leo are always very nice and helpful with sales and support. A company I used to work for bought a lot of Telit 2G modules from Glyn.
Mikrotik Board: RB411 ROS: 6.34rc2 Carrier: Telstra (Two B28 towers within 2kms of me)
The board interface comes up as 'usb' in ROS which has 7 channels. I tested all the channels with a telnet client and the remote access setting in ROS using RFC2217. Eventually I discovered channels 4 and 5 respond as a serial interface and it responds to AT commands. For example ----- at&v
DTE SPEED : 115200 DTE FORMAT : 8N1 GSM DATA MODE : Not Transparent AUTOBAUD : +IPRxxx00=NO COMMAND ECHO : E1=YES RESULT MESSAGES : Q0=YES VERBOSE MESSAGES : V1=YES EXTENDED MESSAGES : X1=YES LINE SPEED : F0=autodetect CONSTANT DTE SPEED : YES FLOW CONTROL OPTIONS : &K3=HW bidirect. ERROR CORRECTION MODE : RLP CTS (C106) OPTIONS : &B2=OFF while disc. DSR (C107) OPTIONS : &S3=PHONE ready->ON DTR (C108) OPTIONS : &D0=ignored DCD (C109) OPTIONS : &C1=follows carrier RI (C125) OPTIONS : \R1=OFF dur. off-hk C108/1 OPERATION : &D4=NO POWER SAVING ON DTR : +CFUN:1=NO DEFAULT PROFILE : &Y0=user profile 1
OK -----
Great! Obviously the mode of operation for this unit was going to be PPP. This is all you need to get it working in ROS:
/interface ppp-client add apn=telstra.internet data-channel=4 dial-command=ATD disabled=no \ info-channel=5 name=ppp-out1 phone=*99# port=usb2 profile=Telstra
The beauty of this you get to use the assigned carrier grade NAT IP address from Telstra (for example 10.98.250.114) instead of the double NATed address
comes off a lot of dongles.
The RB411 has a sloooow 300MHz CPU so it takes a few minutes for the built in serial port and usb2 to come up in the System->Ports menu. Concerning also is when making changes to or enabling the PPP interface would sometimes fail with: "couldn't change interface <ppp-out1> - object doesn't exist (4)" which is baloney of course. A second attempt always seems to work.
The next step is to try it out in a RBwAPR. There are faster CAT11 (more expensive) and slower Cat-M1 modules available too but I have yet to try
(ping that these
out.
The LE910C1-AP seems good for those that need B28 at decent speeds for OOBE access or 4G failover in Mikrotik now that Sierra is a distant memory. The new Gen2 NBN routers from Telstra fail over to 6/1Mbit speeds so 10/5 seems OK to me for an industrial rated LTE modem.
The module also supports and has connectors for a GPS and a 4G diversity antenna but I have yet to test them out.
Jason Hecker _______________________________________________ Public mailing list Public@talk.mikrotik.com.au http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk.mikrotik.co m.au
-- Regards, Jason Hecker
<https://www.upandrunningtech.com.au> _______________________________________________ Public mailing list Public@talk.mikrotik.com.au http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk.mikrotik.com.au
Yeah I understand the whole system assembly must be tested again as a whole - lest you discover you need to make modifications to the assembly to pass. I have done this testing in the past with Telit 2G modems at Comtest's OATS facility which I think is now closed as they have a giant indoor test room. Glyn supplied the certificates for the modem and the whole device with the modem mounted in it was tested. We ended up needing some ferrites on the phone antenna cable to attenuate what looked like some CPU clock spurs and it passed. That was 10 years ago and I appreciate standards and requirements may have changed since then. On Tue, 26 Feb 2019 at 10:17, Mike Everest <mike@duxtel.com> wrote:
Hi Jason!
It is not possible to certify a modem like that for use in any device - there is no such 'blanket' certification in Australia like exists in other countries :-}
Here, devices that have an 'air interface to a public telecommunications network' must be certified as a 'complete, fully assembled product' - the relevant compliance standard is called S0.42, and is quite clear on this matter :-}
I happen to know it well, after now what is about 15 months of pain dealing with compliance red tape for the 'new' MikroTik LTE product range :-j
I encourage you to ask for the 'Compliance Certificate' from Glynn (they *must* supply it if asked ;) and check whether it tells you that the modem is compliant when used in any particular product that you intend to use it with :-}
Note that non-compliance does not prevent you from actually using it that way (a 60K speed limit sin does not prevent you from driving 75K ;-) but you should probably be aware of the situation, especially if you intend to use it in a commercial application,
Cheers!
Mike.
-----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) Sent: Tuesday, 26 February 2019 8:38 AM To: MikroTik Australia Public List <public@talk.mikrotik.com.au> Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] B28 LTE modem success
Point taken about compliance. These modules are certified for use in Australia - there is the familiar triangle-circle-tick printed on the modem label and Glyn will supply the documents. The concern is how well the built in antennas on the wAPR go at 700MHz - I expect it'll work well enough.
On Sun, 24 Feb 2019 at 17:31, Mike Everest <mike@duxtel.com> wrote:
Just a quiet word of warning regarding this:
These days you need compliance certification on the "entire assembled product" - i.e. "Router with LTE modem and LTE antennas installed"
You can buy the modem independently, and if it is purchased from an AU seller, they *should* also supply a compliance certificate and ship it with RCM label applied, BUT the compliance certificate will only certify that the module is compliant in specific conditions, installed on some particular board and using some specific antenna/s. The compliance certificate will usually include some kind of disclaimer, like "only compliant in conjunction with these products, and only using this antenna" or something similar.
So if you are intending to use the kit for commercial application, I encourage you to spare a few thoughts about the compliance requirements :-}
Thanks for the report though! If you manage to get certification on the MikroTik combo - it is worth something to us, so please do chase me up off list! :-)
Cheers, Mike.
-----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) Sent: Sunday, 24 February 2019 2:17 PM To: MikroTik Australia Public List <public@talk.mikrotik.com.au> Subject: [MT-AU Public] B28 LTE modem success
I have banged on a bit in the past concerning Telit miniPCIe LTE modules which work on Band 28 in a Mikrotik. A few months ago I bought a Telit LE910C1-AP from Glyn in Sydney to see if it came up in LTE mode on the Mikrotik seeing as a lot of work has been done to improve LTE in ROS. Alas, no joy so I left it. I recently saw mention of support for a Telit module in 6.44.rc1 so I decided to revisit the whole thing. It works!
The Telit MiniPCI module is: Telit LE910C1-AP https://www.telit.com/wp-
content/uploads/2017/11/Telit_LE910C1_Hardware_User_Guide_r1_08.pdf
It supports: LTE FDD bands 1, 3, 5, 8, 28 and HSPA+ bands 1, 5, 8 CAT1 speeds 10Mbit down / 5Mbit Up. With speedtest.net I got 9.62/4.86
29ms)
Antenna: SRFL026 (single antenna - no diversity) https://antenova.com/wp- content/uploads/2016/05/Mitis-SRFL026-PS-1.1.pdf
Price: $128 inc GST, shipping and patch antenna above as a kit from Glyn's webstore. Talk to these guys if you want to order one. http://www.glynstore.com/pages/Contact-Us.html Dean and Leo are always very nice and helpful with sales and support. A company I used to work for bought a lot of Telit 2G modules from Glyn.
Mikrotik Board: RB411 ROS: 6.34rc2 Carrier: Telstra (Two B28 towers within 2kms of me)
The board interface comes up as 'usb' in ROS which has 7 channels. I tested all the channels with a telnet client and the remote access setting in ROS using RFC2217. Eventually I discovered channels 4 and 5 respond as a serial interface and it responds to AT commands. For example ----- at&v
DTE SPEED : 115200 DTE FORMAT : 8N1 GSM DATA MODE : Not Transparent AUTOBAUD : +IPRxxx00=NO COMMAND ECHO : E1=YES RESULT MESSAGES : Q0=YES VERBOSE MESSAGES : V1=YES EXTENDED MESSAGES : X1=YES LINE SPEED : F0=autodetect CONSTANT DTE SPEED : YES FLOW CONTROL OPTIONS : &K3=HW bidirect. ERROR CORRECTION MODE : RLP CTS (C106) OPTIONS : &B2=OFF while disc. DSR (C107) OPTIONS : &S3=PHONE ready->ON DTR (C108) OPTIONS : &D0=ignored DCD (C109) OPTIONS : &C1=follows carrier RI (C125) OPTIONS : \R1=OFF dur. off-hk C108/1 OPERATION : &D4=NO POWER SAVING ON DTR : +CFUN:1=NO DEFAULT PROFILE : &Y0=user profile 1
OK -----
Great! Obviously the mode of operation for this unit was going to be PPP. This is all you need to get it working in ROS:
/interface ppp-client add apn=telstra.internet data-channel=4 dial-command=ATD disabled=no \ info-channel=5 name=ppp-out1 phone=*99# port=usb2 profile=Telstra
The beauty of this you get to use the assigned carrier grade NAT IP address from Telstra (for example 10.98.250.114) instead of the double NATed address
comes off a lot of dongles.
The RB411 has a sloooow 300MHz CPU so it takes a few minutes for the built in serial port and usb2 to come up in the System->Ports menu. Concerning also is when making changes to or enabling the PPP interface would sometimes fail with: "couldn't change interface <ppp-out1> - object doesn't exist (4)" which is baloney of course. A second attempt always seems to work.
The next step is to try it out in a RBwAPR. There are faster CAT11 (more expensive) and slower Cat-M1 modules available too but I have yet to try
(ping that these
out.
The LE910C1-AP seems good for those that need B28 at decent speeds for OOBE access or 4G failover in Mikrotik now that Sierra is a distant memory. The new Gen2 NBN routers from Telstra fail over to 6/1Mbit speeds so 10/5 seems OK to me for an industrial rated LTE modem.
The module also supports and has connectors for a GPS and a 4G diversity antenna but I have yet to test them out.
Jason Hecker _______________________________________________ Public mailing list Public@talk.mikrotik.com.au http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk.mikrotik.co m.au
-- Regards, Jason Hecker
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-----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) Sent: Tuesday, 26 February 2019 10:28 AM To: MikroTik Australia Public List <public@talk.mikrotik.com.au> Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] B28 LTE modem success
Yeah I understand the whole system assembly must be tested again as a whole - lest you discover you need to make modifications to the assembly to
Cool! :) Neither of the Melbourne based labs do that testing anymore, but there is a lab near Sydney that does some of the test cases but not all of them. This is what makes things even harder to get compliance ticked off these days because we now need to coerce the manufacturer to conduct the required tests, which they are generally loth to do without significant 'encouragement' ;-) This is why we have not been able to come up with any LTE kit products since the rules changed near the start of last year, so that when the modems we used to use became EoL we essentially had no replacements :-( But that is about to change (fingers crossed) since I just received a last remaining document to complete certification of wAPR-LTE-KIT this week, so submitted to the compliance lab for assessment, and (hopefully) approval :-} If you do manage to get your kit ticked off, I'm keen to discuss how we might be able to use that certification to make available to others too, if you are open to that :) Cheers! Mike. pass.
I have done this testing in the past with Telit 2G modems at Comtest's
facility which I think is now closed as they have a giant indoor test room. Glyn supplied the certificates for the modem and the whole device with the modem mounted in it was tested. We ended up needing some ferrites on the phone antenna cable to attenuate what looked like some CPU clock spurs and it
OATS passed.
That was 10 years ago and I appreciate standards and requirements may have changed since then.
On Tue, 26 Feb 2019 at 10:17, Mike Everest <mike@duxtel.com> wrote:
Hi Jason!
It is not possible to certify a modem like that for use in any device - there is no such 'blanket' certification in Australia like exists in other countries :-}
Here, devices that have an 'air interface to a public telecommunications network' must be certified as a 'complete, fully assembled product' - the relevant compliance standard is called S0.42, and is quite clear on this matter :-}
I happen to know it well, after now what is about 15 months of pain dealing with compliance red tape for the 'new' MikroTik LTE product range :-j
I encourage you to ask for the 'Compliance Certificate' from Glynn (they *must* supply it if asked ;) and check whether it tells you that the modem is compliant when used in any particular product that you intend to use it with :-}
Note that non-compliance does not prevent you from actually using it that way (a 60K speed limit sin does not prevent you from driving 75K ;-) but you should probably be aware of the situation, especially if you intend to use it in a commercial application,
Cheers!
Mike.
-----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) Sent: Tuesday, 26 February 2019 8:38 AM To: MikroTik Australia Public List <public@talk.mikrotik.com.au> Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] B28 LTE modem success
Point taken about compliance. These modules are certified for use in Australia - there is the familiar triangle-circle-tick printed on the modem label and Glyn will supply the documents. The concern is how well the built in antennas on the wAPR go at 700MHz - I expect it'll work well enough.
On Sun, 24 Feb 2019 at 17:31, Mike Everest <mike@duxtel.com> wrote:
Just a quiet word of warning regarding this:
These days you need compliance certification on the "entire assembled product" - i.e. "Router with LTE modem and LTE antennas installed"
You can buy the modem independently, and if it is purchased from an AU seller, they *should* also supply a compliance certificate and ship it with RCM label applied, BUT the compliance certificate will only certify that the module is compliant in specific conditions, installed on some particular board and using some specific antenna/s. The compliance certificate will usually include some kind of disclaimer, like "only compliant in conjunction with these products, and only using this antenna" or something similar.
So if you are intending to use the kit for commercial application, I encourage you to spare a few thoughts about the compliance requirements :-}
Thanks for the report though! If you manage to get certification on the MikroTik combo - it is worth something to us, so please do chase me up off list! :-)
Cheers, Mike.
-----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) Sent: Sunday, 24 February 2019 2:17 PM To: MikroTik Australia Public List <public@talk.mikrotik.com.au> Subject: [MT-AU Public] B28 LTE modem success
I have banged on a bit in the past concerning Telit miniPCIe LTE modules which work on Band 28 in a Mikrotik. A few months ago I bought a Telit LE910C1-AP from Glyn in Sydney to see if it came up in LTE mode on the Mikrotik seeing as a lot of work has been done to improve LTE in ROS. Alas, no joy so I left it. I recently saw mention of support for a Telit module in 6.44.rc1 so I decided to revisit the whole thing. It works!
The Telit MiniPCI module is: Telit LE910C1-AP https://www.telit.com/wp-
content/uploads/2017/11/Telit_LE910C1_Hardware_User_Guide_r1_08.pdf
It supports: LTE FDD bands 1, 3, 5, 8, 28 and HSPA+ bands 1, 5, 8 CAT1 speeds 10Mbit down / 5Mbit Up. With speedtest.net I got 9.62/4.86
29ms)
Antenna: SRFL026 (single antenna - no diversity) https://antenova.com/wp- content/uploads/2016/05/Mitis-SRFL026-PS-1.1.pdf
Price: $128 inc GST, shipping and patch antenna above as a kit from Glyn's webstore. Talk to these guys if you want to order one. http://www.glynstore.com/pages/Contact-Us.html Dean and Leo are always very nice and helpful with sales and support. A company I used to work for bought a lot of Telit 2G modules from Glyn.
Mikrotik Board: RB411 ROS: 6.34rc2 Carrier: Telstra (Two B28 towers within 2kms of me)
The board interface comes up as 'usb' in ROS which has 7 channels. I tested all the channels with a telnet client and the remote access setting in ROS using RFC2217. Eventually I discovered channels 4 and 5 respond as a serial interface and it responds to AT commands. For example ----- at&v
DTE SPEED : 115200 DTE FORMAT : 8N1 GSM DATA MODE : Not Transparent AUTOBAUD : +IPRxxx00=NO COMMAND ECHO : E1=YES RESULT MESSAGES : Q0=YES VERBOSE MESSAGES : V1=YES EXTENDED MESSAGES : X1=YES LINE SPEED : F0=autodetect CONSTANT DTE SPEED : YES FLOW CONTROL OPTIONS : &K3=HW bidirect. ERROR CORRECTION MODE : RLP CTS (C106) OPTIONS : &B2=OFF while disc. DSR (C107) OPTIONS : &S3=PHONE ready->ON DTR (C108) OPTIONS : &D0=ignored DCD (C109) OPTIONS : &C1=follows carrier RI (C125) OPTIONS : \R1=OFF dur. off-hk C108/1 OPERATION : &D4=NO POWER SAVING ON DTR : +CFUN:1=NO DEFAULT PROFILE : &Y0=user profile 1
OK -----
Great! Obviously the mode of operation for this unit was going to be PPP. This is all you need to get it working in ROS:
/interface ppp-client add apn=telstra.internet data-channel=4 dial-command=ATD disabled=no \ info-channel=5 name=ppp-out1 phone=*99# port=usb2 profile=Telstra
The beauty of this you get to use the assigned carrier grade NAT IP address from Telstra (for example 10.98.250.114) instead of the double NATed address
comes off a lot of dongles.
The RB411 has a sloooow 300MHz CPU so it takes a few minutes for the built in serial port and usb2 to come up in the System->Ports menu. Concerning also is when making changes to or enabling the PPP interface would sometimes fail with: "couldn't change interface <ppp-out1> - object doesn't exist (4)" which is baloney of course. A second attempt always seems to work.
The next step is to try it out in a RBwAPR. There are faster CAT11 (more expensive) and slower Cat-M1 modules available too but I have yet to try
(ping that these
out.
The LE910C1-AP seems good for those that need B28 at decent speeds for OOBE access or 4G failover in Mikrotik now that Sierra is a distant memory. The new Gen2 NBN routers from Telstra fail over to 6/1Mbit speeds so 10/5 seems OK to me for an industrial rated LTE modem.
The module also supports and has connectors for a GPS and a 4G diversity antenna but I have yet to test them out.
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