Oh, sorry I'm bad with names. But I am guessing same problems same lists :) Hmm okay I guess I start the upgrade path to 6.20, sat on 6.19, 6.18 was bad for me. BGP memory issues. Alex

-----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Matt Perkins Sent: Wednesday, 12 November 2014 12:12 PM To: MikroTik Australia Public List Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] ccr's and routeros 1.20+

Ha small world seeing you on anther list.

I use 6.20 on my ccr's at the moment. The constant updates are a bit of a pain. But worth it to go past 6.19 to get better multi core support. Dont use anything less then 6.18 there are disastrous bugs. I have not been game to try 6.21 yet.

Matt

On 12/11/2014 11:58 am, Alex Samad - Yieldbroker wrote:

...

Hi

I have a few CCR1036-8G-2S+'s

I am running 6.19 and am quite happy with it.

The mikrotik boys are quite good at putting out lots of new versions.

1) What do most other people do with patching, I am not looking forward to patching every month

2) Is anyone else running 6.20 or 6.21 (6.21.1)

I also have a few VM's

Things I am interested in OSPF, BGP, firewall. No wireless for me.

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Ahh 6.17 dont change an MTU what ever you do. I did the other day on one that had been neglected and all the ports and unrelated the ether channel went hard down and would not come back without a factory and firmware upgrade. They are great boxes but they need to be treated with a bit of respect. Cant wait until they get all the CPU core's working correctly. Matt. On 12/11/2014 12:18 pm, Damien Gardner Jnr wrote:

LOL, it wasn't till I was going 'What?' at Matt's comment that I realised this post wasn't on Ausnog :-p

Ooh, better multicore support? Guess I should get around to doing that reboot tonight - my CCR1009 is still sitting on 6.17 :)

On 12 November 2014 12:12, Matt Perkins <matt@spectrum.com.au> wrote:

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Ha small world seeing you on anther list.

I use 6.20 on my ccr's at the moment. The constant updates are a bit of a pain. But worth it to go past 6.19 to get better multi core support. Dont use anything less then 6.18 there are disastrous bugs. I have not been game to try 6.21 yet.

Matt

On 12/11/2014 11:58 am, Alex Samad - Yieldbroker wrote:

...

Hi

I have a few CCR1036-8G-2S+'s

I am running 6.19 and am quite happy with it.

The mikrotik boys are quite good at putting out lots of new versions.

1) What do most other people do with patching, I am not looking forward to patching every month

2) Is anyone else running 6.20 or 6.21 (6.21.1)

I also have a few VM's

Things I am interested in OSPF, BGP, firewall. No wireless for me.

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Cool, I would like to push these puppies a but more. Problem is my BIG traffic is big single tcp stream, think vmware backups.. I think I found this list from AUSNOG Are people using partitioning ? I have 4 setup 1 current 2 last working 3 copy of last working :) 4 original working I haven't had to fall back on this yet, but I wonder all those people with reboot issues would it be solved with having partitions Also I not there is an upgrade to the rom as well and 6.21.1 doesn't work well with .18 the new one it .19 I think A

-----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Mike Everest Sent: Wednesday, 12 November 2014 12:25 PM To: 'MikroTik Australia Public List' Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] ccr's and routeros 1.20+

I agree with Matt,

Additional multi-core support that comes with each release makes each version just a little bit better.

Many issues we've been following for quite some time have gone from hot topic to quietly abandoned since about 6.18+

I can't be sure that they are all 'fixed', but no news is often good news for those kinds of topics.

Perhaps others can offer some more detail on those - in particular: "how are queues working out since recent version updates were intended to address some of them?"

Cheers, Mike.

...

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Hi

I have a few CCR1036-8G-2S+'s

I am running 6.19 and am quite happy with it.

The mikrotik boys are quite good at putting out lots of new versions.

1) What do most other people do with patching, I am not looking forward to patching every month

2) Is anyone else running 6.20 or 6.21 (6.21.1)

I also have a few VM's

Things I am interested in OSPF, BGP, firewall. No wireless for me.

Alex _______________________________________________ Public mailing list Public@talk.mikrotik.com.au http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk.mikrotik.com. au

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Hey Paul, http://blog.naturalnetworks.net/2007/08/recording-routeross-ip-accounting-da... - this might be useful in your quest to use the IP accounting, but personally I'd recommend building a netflow collector instead just for easier ability to scale. - Andrew On 12 November 2014 17:22, Paul Julian <paul@oxygennetworks.com.au> wrote:

We have some around running about 1.2GBit/s throughput across a couple of ports, like 800M transit, a couple of hundred meg peering through a few providers, BGP, etc and they are stable, then we have a couple running as LNS's running anywhere from 50 PPPOE users to about 950, all with queues.

The routers seem to be stable, however queues are still a problem, they just don't seem to control the traffic as well as they are supposed to, unfortunately even after the latest improvements MT have made I still think there are issues.

I agree with Matt, you do need to think a bit before you change something, there are bugs, and they do break sometimes, but keeping them as simple as you can and leaving them alone when they are working OK is the best recipe for reliability.

We are running most on 6.21 at the moment, one thing I enjoyed was replacing an old RB1100AH with a CCR 16 core and the CPU went from averaging 85% to 4%, pretty amazing, and that's a super busy router doing lots of OSPF, BGP, vlans, etc.

We also use a lot of routers as PPPOE LNS's in the basements of buildings, they happily run day in day out managing queues and OSPF etc for a dozen or more users typically, very reliable at this.

Off topic a bit, but I wanted to ask is anybody using Mikrotik for NBN LNS termination in a DHCP modem and if so how are you handling multiple AVC's for each customer and DHCP to them ? I was thinking that just bridging them was the best option but a wary of doing that, would appreciate any comments on the design required if anybody is willing to share, and once you get there any good suggestions on IP accounting packages which can dump the IP accounting info from the router into MySQL ?

Regards Paul

-----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Alex Samad - Yieldbroker Sent: Wednesday, 12 November 2014 12:29 PM To: MikroTik Australia Public List Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] ccr's and routeros 1.20+

Cool, I would like to push these puppies a but more.

Problem is my BIG traffic is big single tcp stream, think vmware backups..

I think I found this list from AUSNOG

Are people using partitioning ? I have 4 setup 1 current 2 last working 3 copy of last working :) 4 original working

I haven't had to fall back on this yet, but I wonder all those people with reboot issues would it be solved with having partitions

Also I not there is an upgrade to the rom as well and 6.21.1 doesn't work well with .18 the new one it .19 I think

A

...

-----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Mike Everest Sent: Wednesday, 12 November 2014 12:25 PM To: 'MikroTik Australia Public List' Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] ccr's and routeros 1.20+

I agree with Matt,

Additional multi-core support that comes with each release makes each version just a little bit better.

Many issues we've been following for quite some time have gone from hot topic to quietly abandoned since about 6.18+

I can't be sure that they are all 'fixed', but no news is often good news for those kinds of topics.

Perhaps others can offer some more detail on those - in particular: "how are queues working out since recent version updates were intended to address some of them?"

Cheers, Mike.

...

-----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Alex Samad - Yieldbroker Sent: Wednesday, 12 November 2014 11:59 AM To: public@talk.mikrotik.com.au Subject: [MT-AU Public] ccr's and routeros 1.20+

Hi

I have a few CCR1036-8G-2S+'s

I am running 6.19 and am quite happy with it.

The mikrotik boys are quite good at putting out lots of new versions.

1) What do most other people do with patching, I am not looking forward to patching every month

2) Is anyone else running 6.20 or 6.21 (6.21.1)

I also have a few VM's

Things I am interested in OSPF, BGP, firewall. No wireless for me.

Alex _______________________________________________ Public mailing list Public@talk.mikrotik.com.au http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk.mikrotik.com. au

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Thanks guys, I have been looking at netflow collectors to dump data into MySQL but also found the figures to be a bit dodgy, perhaps I might give it another go, any suggestions on good collectors that are around ? Regards Paul -----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Alex Samad - Yieldbroker Sent: Wednesday, 12 November 2014 7:59 PM To: MikroTik Australia Public List Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] ccr's and routeros 1.20+ Hi I am using netflow more for traffic monitoring. I have I found pre 6.19 the numbers where just wrong. I think around 6.12 they were good.. Alex

-----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Andrew Cox Sent: Wednesday, 12 November 2014 7:10 PM To: MikroTik Australia Public List Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] ccr's and routeros 1.20+

Hey Paul,

http://blog.naturalnetworks.net/2007/08/recording-routeross-ip- accounting-data.html - this might be useful in your quest to use the IP accounting, but personally I'd recommend building a netflow collector instead just for easier ability to scale.

- Andrew {snip}

...

Off topic a bit, but I wanted to ask is anybody using Mikrotik for NBN LNS termination in a DHCP modem and if so how are you handling multiple AVC's for each customer and DHCP to them ? I was thinking that just bridging them was the best option but a wary of doing that, would appreciate any comments on the design required if anybody is willing to share, and once you get there any good suggestions on IP accounting packages which can dump the IP accounting info from the router into MySQL ?

Regards Paul

-----Original Message----- {snip}

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Bit premature on my reply there! I'm currently running pmacct (http://www.pmacct.net/) to collect netflow from a fleet of ESXi boxes, push it into RabbitMQ and then into an ELK instance. It apparently also has MySQL backend support, so could be worth some investigation. Cheers, Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Andrew Van Slageren Sent: Wednesday, 12 November 2014 8:11 PM To: MikroTik Australia Public List Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] ccr's and routeros 1.20+ -----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Paul Julian Sent: Wednesday, 12 November 2014 8:01 PM To: 'MikroTik Australia Public List' Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] ccr's and routeros 1.20+ Thanks guys, I have been looking at netflow collectors to dump data into MySQL but also found the figures to be a bit dodgy, perhaps I might give it another go, any suggestions on good collectors that are around ? Regards Paul -----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Alex Samad - Yieldbroker Sent: Wednesday, 12 November 2014 7:59 PM To: MikroTik Australia Public List Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] ccr's and routeros 1.20+ Hi I am using netflow more for traffic monitoring. I have I found pre 6.19 the numbers where just wrong. I think around 6.12 they were good.. Alex

-----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Andrew Cox Sent: Wednesday, 12 November 2014 7:10 PM To: MikroTik Australia Public List Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] ccr's and routeros 1.20+

Hey Paul,

http://blog.naturalnetworks.net/2007/08/recording-routeross-ip- accounting-data.html - this might be useful in your quest to use the IP accounting, but personally I'd recommend building a netflow collector instead just for easier ability to scale.

- Andrew {snip}

...

Off topic a bit, but I wanted to ask is anybody using Mikrotik for NBN LNS termination in a DHCP modem and if so how are you handling multiple AVC's for each customer and DHCP to them ? I was thinking that just bridging them was the best option but a wary of doing that, would appreciate any comments on the design required if anybody is willing to share, and once you get there any good suggestions on IP accounting packages which can dump the IP accounting info from the router into MySQL ?

Regards Paul

-----Original Message----- {snip}

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I have had a lot of issues with NetFlow. The data is inconsistant as you are seeing, sometimes I find just gaps in the data and in general the numbers are just wrong. At the moment, I am seeing a lot of issues with my 1036 fleet and netflow, they seem to just stop sending, the UI says its sending packets but the collector never see's them. My fleet of 1016's are fine, but the data is just wrong. I have a 1009 (i think it is) ill be installing in a few weeks, see how it goes. The 36 vs 16 are very different network layouts, so it might also be a deployment issue at the moment. Its the number one issue I have with the CCR's at the moment. Other than that, 4-5 full BGP routing tables per unit, 2 or 3 upstreams peering and a whole pile of policy routing, no issues at all. On 2014-11-12 20:01, Paul Julian wrote:

Thanks guys, I have been looking at netflow collectors to dump data into MySQL but also found the figures to be a bit dodgy, perhaps I might give it another go, any suggestions on good collectors that are around ?

Regards Paul

-----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Alex Samad - Yieldbroker Sent: Wednesday, 12 November 2014 7:59 PM To: MikroTik Australia Public List Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] ccr's and routeros 1.20+

Hi

I am using netflow more for traffic monitoring. I have I found pre 6.19 the numbers where just wrong. I think around 6.12 they were good..

Alex

...

-----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Andrew Cox Sent: Wednesday, 12 November 2014 7:10 PM To: MikroTik Australia Public List Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] ccr's and routeros 1.20+

Hey Paul,

http://blog.naturalnetworks.net/2007/08/recording-routeross-ip- accounting-data.html - this might be useful in your quest to use the IP accounting, but personally I'd recommend building a netflow collector instead just for easier ability to scale.

- Andrew {snip}

...

Off topic a bit, but I wanted to ask is anybody using Mikrotik for NBN LNS termination in a DHCP modem and if so how are you handling multiple AVC's for each customer and DHCP to them ? I was thinking that just bridging them was the best option but a wary of doing that, would appreciate any comments on the design required if anybody is willing to share, and once you get there any good suggestions on IP accounting packages which can dump the IP accounting info from the router into MySQL ?

Regards Paul

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I was going to say are you using the queue's to shape NBN connections. I once considered a CCR as a pppoe gateway for an NBN access. But could not get it to shape quickly enough to keep bellow NBN's policing. Mind you haven't tried since 6.8 i think. Matt On 12/11/2014 6:22 pm, Paul Julian wrote:

We have some around running about 1.2GBit/s throughput across a couple of ports, like 800M transit, a couple of hundred meg peering through a few providers, BGP, etc and they are stable, then we have a couple running as LNS's running anywhere from 50 PPPOE users to about 950, all with queues.

The routers seem to be stable, however queues are still a problem, they just don't seem to control the traffic as well as they are supposed to, unfortunately even after the latest improvements MT have made I still think there are issues.

I agree with Matt, you do need to think a bit before you change something, there are bugs, and they do break sometimes, but keeping them as simple as you can and leaving them alone when they are working OK is the best recipe for reliability.

We are running most on 6.21 at the moment, one thing I enjoyed was replacing an old RB1100AH with a CCR 16 core and the CPU went from averaging 85% to 4%, pretty amazing, and that's a super busy router doing lots of OSPF, BGP, vlans, etc.

We also use a lot of routers as PPPOE LNS's in the basements of buildings, they happily run day in day out managing queues and OSPF etc for a dozen or more users typically, very reliable at this.

Off topic a bit, but I wanted to ask is anybody using Mikrotik for NBN LNS termination in a DHCP modem and if so how are you handling multiple AVC's for each customer and DHCP to them ? I was thinking that just bridging them was the best option but a wary of doing that, would appreciate any comments on the design required if anybody is willing to share, and once you get there any good suggestions on IP accounting packages which can dump the IP accounting info from the router into MySQL ?

Regards Paul

-----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Alex Samad - Yieldbroker Sent: Wednesday, 12 November 2014 12:29 PM To: MikroTik Australia Public List Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] ccr's and routeros 1.20+

Cool, I would like to push these puppies a but more.

Problem is my BIG traffic is big single tcp stream, think vmware backups..

I think I found this list from AUSNOG

Are people using partitioning ? I have 4 setup 1 current 2 last working 3 copy of last working :) 4 original working

I haven't had to fall back on this yet, but I wonder all those people with reboot issues would it be solved with having partitions

Also I not there is an upgrade to the rom as well and 6.21.1 doesn't work well with .18 the new one it .19 I think

A

...

-----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Mike Everest Sent: Wednesday, 12 November 2014 12:25 PM To: 'MikroTik Australia Public List' Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] ccr's and routeros 1.20+

I agree with Matt,

Additional multi-core support that comes with each release makes each version just a little bit better.

Many issues we've been following for quite some time have gone from hot topic to quietly abandoned since about 6.18+

I can't be sure that they are all 'fixed', but no news is often good news for those kinds of topics.

Perhaps others can offer some more detail on those - in particular: "how are queues working out since recent version updates were intended to address some of them?"

Cheers, Mike.

...

-----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Alex Samad - Yieldbroker Sent: Wednesday, 12 November 2014 11:59 AM To: public@talk.mikrotik.com.au Subject: [MT-AU Public] ccr's and routeros 1.20+

Hi

I have a few CCR1036-8G-2S+'s

I am running 6.19 and am quite happy with it.

The mikrotik boys are quite good at putting out lots of new versions.

1) What do most other people do with patching, I am not looking forward to patching every month

2) Is anyone else running 6.20 or 6.21 (6.21.1)

I also have a few VM's

Things I am interested in OSPF, BGP, firewall. No wireless for me.

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