August 2016 - Public - talk.mikrotik.com.au

VDSL modems
by Mike Everest 07 Oct '16

07 Oct '16

Hi Folks, A few months back, I asked for opinions on a good adsl modem to use a bridge for MikroTik PPPoE. With increase in prevalence of VDSL services (especially with #nbwhen ;) does anyone have some opinion of readily available and 'good' (not necessarily cheap ;) vdsl modems? Cheers! Mike.

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Virtual AP now also implements virtual client
by Mike Everest 06 Sep '16

06 Sep '16

I found this little gem in the wiki docs this morning while reviewing some training materials: "It is also possible to create virtual clients and have both an AP and a Client on the same physical interface. This allows to make a repeater setup with only using one hardware card." http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Interface/Wireless#Virtual_interfaces Only since v6.35 - I'm sure it was mentioned in release notes, but OK I don't always read the release notes eh? ;-) Cheers!

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The NBN Questions again ...
by Terry Sweetser (SkyMesh) 06 Sep '16

06 Sep '16

Hello MK People, I have now several CCR 36core deployed routers, with Q-in-Q interfaces numbering in 4,000 range. They're in a single bridge group and DHCP broadcasts and ipv6 multicasts have become a major issue. A single DHCP reply generates an ipv4 broadcast to 4000 interfaces in the bridge group. The group members are all on the same split horizon, so no port to port traffic occurs. When ipv6 ND fires up some discoveries, again N*4000+ packets go out. Given these are 600 bytes, and N*4000 PPS, N being number of open requests or discoveries, there's multiples of 10Mbps of traffic going out. I'm loath to redo the bridge concept, it would mean burning up a /30 per site for "their own subnet" space. PPPoE, as an answer to urgent support cases has been used, but for 10,000 sites this is just not possible. Currently, I have a bridge rate limit in place to "slow down" (a la tar pit) floods of DHCP requests. Where to from here? Is there some new or interesting Cisco-like "unnumbered" scheme possible? Can I try to move IPv6 to the individual interfaces, and drop IPv6 across the bridge? Can I filter out all bridge DHCP and attach 4000 DHCP servers to the interfaces? (No joke.) -- http://about.me/terry.sweetser

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Re: [MT-AU Public] The NBN Questions again ...
by Andrew Thrift 05 Sep '16

05 Sep '16

Hi Terry, Do you have "always-broadcast" on the DHCP server set to yes ? If so changing to no should alleviate the issues with IPv4 clients. Regards, Andrew On 29/08/2016 18:11, "Karl Auer" <kauer(a)nullarbor.com.au> wrote: -----Original Message----- > From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf > Of Terry Sweetser (SkyMesh) > A single DHCP reply generates an ipv4 broadcast to 4000 interfaces in > the bridge group. Not wanting to be mean, but why did you put 4000 hosts into a single broadcast domain? That's really your root problem. That said, a DHCP reply should not be broadcast under normal circumstances, it should be unicast to the discoverer. Only the initial discover from a client should be broadcast. On some systems this is a setting however; maybe your DHCP server has been set to broadcast responses. As far as IPv6 goes, DHCP works very differently. As long as your switches support MLD snooping and don't just flood all multicast packets out all ports, you should see massively reduced "broadcast" traffic compared to IPv4. > When ipv6 ND fires up some discoveries, again N*4000+ packets go out. About the only stuff that goes to all hosts should be RA packets from routers. What other packets are you seeing to all hosts? There should be nothing except packets to ff02::1. I'm starting to wonder if your hardware supports MLD; it sounds as if multicast is being flooded out all ports. > Can I try to move IPv6 to the individual interfaces, and drop IPv6 > across the bridge? What "interfaces" are we talking here? Router interfaces? If this is a routed network, you should certainly not be seeing floods of DHCP traffic... neither IPv6 multicast nor IPv4 broadcast should make it across a subnet boundary. I clearly don't have a good enough handle on your topology. Regards, K. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Karl Auer (kauer(a)nullarbor.com.au) work +61 2 64957435 http://www.nullarbor.com.au mobile +61 428 957160 GPG fingerprint: 6D59 8AE6 810D 44E3 7626 7040 4DD6 F89F 3053 4774 Old fingerprint: 9DCA 0903 BCBD 0647 BCCC 2FA7 A35C 57A1 ACF9 00BB _______________________________________________ Public mailing list Public(a)talk.mikrotik.com.au http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk.mikrotik.com.au

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AS-Stats
by Andrew Gilbett 30 Aug '16

30 Aug '16

Hi Guys, I am wanting to find out from the brains trust if there is anyway to use AS Stats with Mikrotik routers to get a bit more insight in to our transit connections. I know that Mikrotiks do not emit AS info in Netflow. but I was wondering if there was a way to add it back in with some application that takes a full feed from my router? Is there anything in this space? Thanks in Advance Andrew

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Prioritise Traffic for IP
by QCS Group - Infrastructure 26 Aug '16

26 Aug '16

Hi All, Wondering if this is possible, how do I prioritize traffic for 4 IP's on the network, is this possible? Situation is as below. Customer has a child care system, at 3PM-4PM parents check-in/check-out on 4 iPads. During this time I want the 4 devices to have the highest priority on traffic so that there is no timeouts. Any ideas? Thanks Marius ________________________________ Thinking of updating your phone system? Ask us about our "Cloud Based PABX" solution before you do anything. ________________________________

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Spare Routerboard RB2011UiAS-2HnD-IN ??
by Paul Julian 25 Aug '16

25 Aug '16

Hi All, I urgently need 4 or preferably 5 of these routers for an urgent job and unfortunately they are out of stock for a couple of weeks still. Would anybody have stock that they could sell me by any chance ? Thanks Paul

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Re: [MT-AU Public] Public Digest, Vol 30, Issue 6
by David Ryan 25 Aug '16

25 Aug '16

Hi Karl, regarding finding out which band your mobile is using. What type of phone do you have? I have an LG G3 with Marshmallow. If I type in a particular code, I get to the engineering mode. After going through a few menus, I end up at a spot where I can tell the actual band I am using. Some apps available for LTE stuff need root access to show the bands. Regards, Dave. dsryan(a)rjs.com.au 0402 054 426 On 24 August 2016 at 12:08, <public-request(a)talk.mikrotik.com.au> wrote: > Send Public mailing list submissions to > public(a)talk.mikrotik.com.au > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk. > mikrotik.com.au > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > public-request(a)talk.mikrotik.com.au > > You can reach the person managing the list at > public-owner(a)talk.mikrotik.com.au > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Public digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. finding out which bands are inuse? (Karl Auer) > 2. Re: finding out which bands are inuse? > (Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech)) > 3. Re: finding out which bands are inuse? > (Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech)) > 4. Re: finding out which bands are inuse? (Karl Auer) > 5. Re: finding out which bands are inuse? (Tim Warnock) > 6. Re: finding out which bands are inuse? (Tim Warnock) > 7. Re: finding out which bands are inuse? (Karl Auer) > 8. Spare Routerboard RB2011UiAS-2HnD-IN ?? (Paul Julian) > 9. Re: Spare Routerboard RB2011UiAS-2HnD-IN ?? (Matt Perkins) > 10. Re: Spare Routerboard RB2011UiAS-2HnD-IN ?? (Paul Julian) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 09:41:37 +1000 > From: Karl Auer <kauer(a)nullarbor.com.au> > To: MikroTik Public <public(a)talk.mikrotik.com.au> > Subject: [MT-AU Public] finding out which bands are inuse? > Message-ID: <1471045297.21850.33.camel(a)nullarbor.com.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > It turns out that the place I wanted to deploy an SXT-LTE does in fact > have 4G! Yay! But I note that the SXT-LTE supports only "the popular > LTE FDD bands 3 (1800MHz) and 7 (2600MHz)". > > Does all 4G always use those bands, or do I have to check whether the > 4G in this area uses those bands? If so, how? > > Regards, K. > > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Karl Auer (kauer(a)nullarbor.com.au) work +61 2 64957435 > http://www.nullarbor.com.au mobile +61 428 957160 > > GPG fingerprint: 6D59 8AE6 810D 44E3 7626 7040 4DD6 F89F 3053 4774 > Old fingerprint: 9DCA 0903 BCBD 0647 BCCC 2FA7 A35C 57A1 ACF9 00BB > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 11:14:22 +1000 > From: "Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech)" > <jason(a)upandrunningtech.com.au> > To: MikroTik Australia Public List <public(a)talk.mikrotik.com.au> > Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] finding out which bands are inuse? > Message-ID: > <CAATJ+fvimSczAJVhLKAKSF3h0Xo6OC4FA_UV6eyS2FpJ+K3_5w(a)mail.gmail. > com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Go to http://www.rfnsa.com.au/ and try find your local towers and see what > frequencies each carrier has listed for that tower. > > On 13 August 2016 at 09:41, Karl Auer <kauer(a)nullarbor.com.au> wrote: > > > It turns out that the place I wanted to deploy an SXT-LTE does in fact > > have 4G! Yay! But I note that the SXT-LTE supports only "the popular > > LTE FDD bands 3 (1800MHz) and 7 (2600MHz)". > > > > Does all 4G always use those bands, or do I have to check whether the > > 4G in this area uses those bands? If so, how? > > > > Regards, K. > > > > -- > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Karl Auer (kauer(a)nullarbor.com.au) work +61 2 64957435 > > http://www.nullarbor.com.au mobile +61 428 957160 > > > > GPG fingerprint: 6D59 8AE6 810D 44E3 7626 7040 4DD6 F89F 3053 4774 > > Old fingerprint: 9DCA 0903 BCBD 0647 BCCC 2FA7 A35C 57A1 ACF9 00BB > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Public mailing list > > Public(a)talk.mikrotik.com.au > > http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk.mikrotik.com.au > > > > > > -- > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 11:16:55 +1000 > From: "Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech)" > <jason(a)upandrunningtech.com.au> > To: MikroTik Australia Public List <public(a)talk.mikrotik.com.au> > Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] finding out which bands are inuse? > Message-ID: > <CAATJ+ft3yt7591MiQx3AE4unjD4V4je5Q6JHC7eG39= > KazKitA(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > For example, my local tower has the following listed from the EME report > PDF. > > Vodafone GSM900, WCDMA900, LTE850 > > Telstra GSM900, WCDMA850, LTE700, LTE1800 > > NBN Co LTE2300 > > Optus LTE700, LTE2600, GSM900, WCDMA900, WCDMA2100 > > > On 13 August 2016 at 09:41, Karl Auer <kauer(a)nullarbor.com.au> wrote: > > > It turns out that the place I wanted to deploy an SXT-LTE does in fact > > have 4G! Yay! But I note that the SXT-LTE supports only "the popular > > LTE FDD bands 3 (1800MHz) and 7 (2600MHz)". > > > > Does all 4G always use those bands, or do I have to check whether the > > 4G in this area uses those bands? If so, how? > > > > Regards, K. > > > > -- > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Karl Auer (kauer(a)nullarbor.com.au) work +61 2 64957435 > > http://www.nullarbor.com.au mobile +61 428 957160 > > > > GPG fingerprint: 6D59 8AE6 810D 44E3 7626 7040 4DD6 F89F 3053 4774 > > Old fingerprint: 9DCA 0903 BCBD 0647 BCCC 2FA7 A35C 57A1 ACF9 00BB > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Public mailing list > > Public(a)talk.mikrotik.com.au > > http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk.mikrotik.com.au > > > > > > -- > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 12:44:43 +1000 > From: Karl Auer <kauer(a)nullarbor.com.au> > To: public(a)talk.mikrotik.com.au > Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] finding out which bands are inuse? > Message-ID: <1471056283.21850.64.camel(a)nullarbor.com.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > On Sat, 2016-08-13 at 11:14 +1000, Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) > wrote: > > Go to http://www.rfnsa.com.au/ and try find your local towers and see > > what frequencies each carrier has listed for that tower. > > Thanks. Apart from showing the tower (site 2549002) and giving me > contact details for Optus, there is no further information. > > Is it possible to check with eg a mobile phone? Mine doesn't seem to > show that level of detail about the carrier. > > Regards, K. > > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Karl Auer (kauer(a)nullarbor.com.au) work +61 2 64957435 > http://www.nullarbor.com.au mobile +61 428 957160 > > GPG fingerprint: 6D59 8AE6 810D 44E3 7626 7040 4DD6 F89F 3053 4774 > Old fingerprint: 9DCA 0903 BCBD 0647 BCCC 2FA7 A35C 57A1 ACF9 00BB > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 03:03:00 +0000 > From: Tim Warnock <timoid(a)timoid.org> > To: 'MikroTik Australia Public List' <public(a)talk.mikrotik.com.au> > Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] finding out which bands are inuse? > Message-ID: > <C978DD0EE401174299AA691E12A50256169043DE(a)hermes.timoid.lan> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Nothing there. http://web.acma.gov.au/pls/radcom/site_search.site_ > lookup?pSITE_ID=34789 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of > Karl Auer > Sent: Saturday, 13 August 2016 12:45 PM > To: public(a)talk.mikrotik.com.au > Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] finding out which bands are inuse? > > On Sat, 2016-08-13 at 11:14 +1000, Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) > wrote: > > Go to http://www.rfnsa.com.au/ and try find your local towers and see > > what frequencies each carrier has listed for that tower. > > Thanks. Apart from showing the tower (site 2549002) and giving me > contact details for Optus, there is no further information. > > Is it possible to check with eg a mobile phone? Mine doesn't seem to > show that level of detail about the carrier. > > Regards, K. > > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Karl Auer (kauer(a)nullarbor.com.au) work +61 2 64957435 > http://www.nullarbor.com.au mobile +61 428 957160 > > GPG fingerprint: 6D59 8AE6 810D 44E3 7626 7040 4DD6 F89F 3053 4774 > Old fingerprint: 9DCA 0903 BCBD 0647 BCCC 2FA7 A35C 57A1 ACF9 00BB > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Public mailing list > Public(a)talk.mikrotik.com.au > http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk.mikrotik.com.au > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 03:15:59 +0000 > From: Tim Warnock <timoid(a)timoid.org> > To: 'MikroTik Australia Public List' <public(a)talk.mikrotik.com.au> > Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] finding out which bands are inuse? > Message-ID: > <C978DD0EE401174299AA691E12A5025616904419(a)hermes.timoid.lan> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > http://web.acma.gov.au/pls/radcom/site_search.site_lookup?pSITE_ID=204301 > > appears to be the nearest site by diameter (9km) from boral site that has > mobile communications on it. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of > Tim Warnock > Sent: Saturday, 13 August 2016 1:03 PM > To: 'MikroTik Australia Public List' <public(a)talk.mikrotik.com.au> > Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] finding out which bands are inuse? > > Nothing there. http://web.acma.gov.au/pls/radcom/site_search.site_ > lookup?pSITE_ID=34789 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of > Karl Auer > Sent: Saturday, 13 August 2016 12:45 PM > To: public(a)talk.mikrotik.com.au > Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] finding out which bands are inuse? > > On Sat, 2016-08-13 at 11:14 +1000, Jason Hecker (Up & Running Tech) > wrote: > > Go to http://www.rfnsa.com.au/ and try find your local towers and see > > what frequencies each carrier has listed for that tower. > > Thanks. Apart from showing the tower (site 2549002) and giving me > contact details for Optus, there is no further information. > > Is it possible to check with eg a mobile phone? Mine doesn't seem to > show that level of detail about the carrier. > > Regards, K. > > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Karl Auer (kauer(a)nullarbor.com.au) work +61 2 64957435 > http://www.nullarbor.com.au mobile +61 428 957160 > > GPG fingerprint: 6D59 8AE6 810D 44E3 7626 7040 4DD6 F89F 3053 4774 > Old fingerprint: 9DCA 0903 BCBD 0647 BCCC 2FA7 A35C 57A1 ACF9 00BB > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Public mailing list > Public(a)talk.mikrotik.com.au > http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk.mikrotik.com.au > > _______________________________________________ > Public mailing list > Public(a)talk.mikrotik.com.au > http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk.mikrotik.com.au > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 14:11:07 +1000 > From: Karl Auer <kauer(a)nullarbor.com.au> > To: public(a)talk.mikrotik.com.au > Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] finding out which bands are inuse? > Message-ID: <1471061467.21850.67.camel(a)nullarbor.com.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > On Sat, 2016-08-13 at 03:03 +0000, Tim Warnock wrote: > > Nothing there. http://web.acma.gov.au/pls/radcom/site_search.site_loo > > kup?pSITE_ID=34789 > > I'm missing something: What does?SITE_ID=34789 have to do with the site > I identified as?site 2549002? > > I mean - how did you get there from here? > > Regards, K. > > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Karl Auer (kauer(a)nullarbor.com.au) work +61 2 64957435 > http://www.nullarbor.com.au mobile +61 428 957160 > > GPG fingerprint: 6D59 8AE6 810D 44E3 7626 7040 4DD6 F89F 3053 4774 > Old fingerprint: 9DCA 0903 BCBD 0647 BCCC 2FA7 A35C 57A1 ACF9 00BB > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2016 11:27:55 +1000 > From: Paul Julian <paul(a)oxygennetworks.com.au> > To: "public(a)talk.mikrotik.com.au" <public(a)talk.mikrotik.com.au> > Subject: [MT-AU Public] Spare Routerboard RB2011UiAS-2HnD-IN ?? > Message-ID: > <927b4781-d29d-4e0f-91d0-62be6644e72a(a)oxygennetworks.com.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi All, I urgently need 4 or preferably 5 of these routers for an urgent > job and unfortunately they are out of stock for a couple of weeks still. > > Would anybody have stock that they could sell me by any chance ? > > Thanks > Paul > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2016 11:37:14 +1000 > From: Matt Perkins <matt(a)spectrum.com.au> > To: public(a)talk.mikrotik.com.au > Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] Spare Routerboard RB2011UiAS-2HnD-IN ?? > Message-ID: <71398b33-5ee1-5272-e237-872be694b8b0(a)spectrum.com.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > I think you will find there is a big line for RB3011's and 2011's There > is not even any in the states. We got some from the Philipines a week > or so ago. But i think they are out now to. > > Matt. > > > On 24/08/2016 11:27 AM, Paul Julian wrote: > > Hi All, I urgently need 4 or preferably 5 of these routers for an urgent > job and unfortunately they are out of stock for a couple of weeks still. > > > > Would anybody have stock that they could sell me by any chance ? > > > > Thanks > > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > > Public mailing list > > Public(a)talk.mikrotik.com.au > > http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk.mikrotik.com.au > > > -- > /* Matt Perkins > Direct 1300 137 379 Spectrum Networks Ptd. Ltd. > Office 1300 133 299 matt(a)spectrum.com.au > Level 6, 350 George Street Sydney 2000 > Spectrum Networks is a member of the Communications Alliance & TIO > */ > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2016 12:08:22 +1000 > From: Paul Julian <paul(a)oxygennetworks.com.au> > To: 'MikroTik Australia Public List' <public(a)talk.mikrotik.com.au> > Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] Spare Routerboard RB2011UiAS-2HnD-IN ?? > Message-ID: > <d7f21d1b-484a-4824-b15f-610ccdc53c80(a)oxygennetworks.com.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Mmm, not good, we are also waiting on 3011 but it's not as important, I > just really need some of the 2011's if I can get them, if we can't then the > customer will just have to wait. > > Regards > paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of > Matt Perkins > Sent: Wednesday, 24 August 2016 11:37 AM > To: public(a)talk.mikrotik.com.au > Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] Spare Routerboard RB2011UiAS-2HnD-IN ?? > > I think you will find there is a big line for RB3011's and 2011's There > is not even any in the states. We got some from the Philipines a week or > so ago. But i think they are out now to. > > Matt. > > > On 24/08/2016 11:27 AM, Paul Julian wrote: > > Hi All, I urgently need 4 or preferably 5 of these routers for an urgent > job and unfortunately they are out of stock for a couple of weeks still. > > > > Would anybody have stock that they could sell me by any chance ? > > > > Thanks > > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > > Public mailing list > > Public(a)talk.mikrotik.com.au > > http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk.mikrotik.com. > > au > > > -- > /* Matt Perkins > Direct 1300 137 379 Spectrum Networks Ptd. Ltd. > Office 1300 133 299 matt(a)spectrum.com.au > Level 6, 350 George Street Sydney 2000 > Spectrum Networks is a member of the Communications Alliance & > TIO */ > > > _______________________________________________ > Public mailing list > Public(a)talk.mikrotik.com.au > http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk.mikrotik.com.au > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Public mailing list > Public(a)talk.mikrotik.com.au > http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk.mikrotik.com.au > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Public Digest, Vol 30, Issue 6 > ************************************* > -- David Ryan - 0402 054 426 RJS Communications dsryan(a)rjs.com.au MTCNA, MTCWE, MTCRE

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finding out which bands are inuse?
by Karl Auer 13 Aug '16

13 Aug '16

It turns out that the place I wanted to deploy an SXT-LTE does in fact have 4G! Yay! But I note that the SXT-LTE supports only "the popular LTE FDD bands 3 (1800MHz) and 7 (2600MHz)". Does all 4G always use those bands, or do I have to check whether the 4G in this area uses those bands? If so, how? Regards, K. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Karl Auer (kauer(a)nullarbor.com.au) work +61 2 64957435 http://www.nullarbor.com.au mobile +61 428 957160 GPG fingerprint: 6D59 8AE6 810D 44E3 7626 7040 4DD6 F89F 3053 4774 Old fingerprint: 9DCA 0903 BCBD 0647 BCCC 2FA7 A35C 57A1 ACF9 00BB

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Re: [MT-AU Public] Public Digest, Vol 30, Issue 4
by kevin＠scottsip.com.au 10 Aug '16

10 Aug '16

Ben, My 2cents for what it is worth, keep all cat 6/6a cabling including patch and fly leads to a 100mtr maximum. Cross talk, near end and far end cause retransmission of data slowing down. Over 100mtrs use fibre less hassle. Regards, Kevin Scott Scotts IP www.scottsip.com.au On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 5:31 PM +1000, <public-request(a)talk.mikrotik.com.au> wrote: Send Public mailing list submissions to public(a)talk.mikrotik.com.au To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk.mikrotik.com.au or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to public-request(a)talk.mikrotik.com.au You can reach the person managing the list at public-owner(a)talk.mikrotik.com.au When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Public digest..." Today's Topics: 1. 10GBase-T SAN (Ben Jackson) 2. Re: 10GBase-T SAN (Alex Samad - Yieldbroker) 3. Re: 10GBase-T SAN (Paul Julian) 4. Re: 10GBase-T SAN (Murray Southwell) 5. Re: 10GBase-T SAN (Ben Jackson) 6. Re: 10GBase-T SAN (Ben Jackson) 7. Re: 10GBase-T SAN (Alex Samad - Yieldbroker) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 16:34:47 +1000 From: Ben Jackson To: MikroTik Australia Public List Subject: [MT-AU Public] 10GBase-T SAN Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi all, I'm looking at implementing a iSCSI SAN / NAS hybrid solution for one of my clients who runs a production studio (24bit multi-track audio and up to 4k video collaboration). I haven't, however had any experience with installing 10Gbe networks as yet, and know very little about them apart from that cat6a is required to go over 100m and that latency is higher with copper vs SFP+. My initial reaction was to go with 10GBase-T as it's a familiar format to me (especially where running cable is concerned) but I'm happy to be convinced on the merits of running fibre. Does anyone have any experiences they can share on this topic? Thanks, Ben Jackson eLogik m:0404 924745 e: ben(a)elogik.net w: www.elogik.com.au [image: http://www.elogik.com.au] ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 06:40:13 +0000 From: Alex Samad - Yieldbroker To: MikroTik Australia Public List Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] 10GBase-T SAN Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sounds interesting. Q) you doing 10G from workstation to datacentre ? or just the cluster of servers in the DC. I personally like SFP+ modules- you can choice between fibre or ... if I can't use SMOF, or if it's in the same rack, I go with DAC cables. They have the SFP and cable pre attached .. you can be a bit more rough with them compare to fibre. It sounds like a rack with servers, storage and switching. So Office -> rack area ??? not sure depends on run Server -> switch ... DAC Switch -> storage .. DAC Alex -----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Ben Jackson Sent: Monday, 8 August 2016 4:35 PM To: MikroTik Australia Public List Subject: [MT-AU Public] 10GBase-T SAN Hi all, I'm looking at implementing a iSCSI SAN / NAS hybrid solution for one of my clients who runs a production studio (24bit multi-track audio and up to 4k video collaboration). I haven't, however had any experience with installing 10Gbe networks as yet, and know very little about them apart from that cat6a is required to go over 100m and that latency is higher with copper vs SFP+. My initial reaction was to go with 10GBase-T as it's a familiar format to me (especially where running cable is concerned) but I'm happy to be convinced on the merits of running fibre. Does anyone have any experiences they can share on this topic? Thanks, Ben Jackson eLogik m:0404 924745 e: ben(a)elogik.net w: www.elogik.com.au [image: http://www.elogik.com.au] _______________________________________________ Public mailing list Public(a)talk.mikrotik.com.au http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk.mikrotik.com.au ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 16:41:19 +1000 From: Paul Julian To: 'MikroTik Australia Public List' Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] 10GBase-T SAN Message-ID: <3e81b614-4762-46ea-93f0-5d7d7ae8ab19(a)oxygennetworks.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Ben, I would always use fibre for anything more than a couple of metres on 10G, even for that I would use fibre. With the array of pre-terminated fibre cabling out now it's just as easy to run fibre as it is to run copper virtually, yes it costs a bit more but you can upgrade in the future with no cabling changes needed, it's a no brainer for us in such situations. Regards Paul -----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Ben Jackson Sent: Monday, 8 August 2016 4:35 PM To: MikroTik Australia Public List Subject: [MT-AU Public] 10GBase-T SAN Hi all, I'm looking at implementing a iSCSI SAN / NAS hybrid solution for one of my clients who runs a production studio (24bit multi-track audio and up to 4k video collaboration). I haven't, however had any experience with installing 10Gbe networks as yet, and know very little about them apart from that cat6a is required to go over 100m and that latency is higher with copper vs SFP+. My initial reaction was to go with 10GBase-T as it's a familiar format to me (especially where running cable is concerned) but I'm happy to be convinced on the merits of running fibre. Does anyone have any experiences they can share on this topic? Thanks, Ben Jackson eLogik m:0404 924745 e: ben(a)elogik.net w: www.elogik.com.au [image: http://www.elogik.com.au] _______________________________________________ Public mailing list Public(a)talk.mikrotik.com.au http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk.mikrotik.com.au ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 06:52:23 +0000 From: Murray Southwell To: MikroTik Australia Public List Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] 10GBase-T SAN Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Ben, I would recommend DAC for inside your rack, and fibre for anything that leaves your rack at 10G. If you are looking to get faster than 1G to the desktop machines via an RJ45 copper connection, you can go faster than 1G without jumping all the way to 10G. If you have legacy CAT5e already installed 2.5G capable switches and NIC's should get you a significant speed boost between desktop and switch. Kind regards Murray Southwell -----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Ben Jackson Sent: Monday, 8 August 2016 4:35 PM To: MikroTik Australia Public List Subject: [MT-AU Public] 10GBase-T SAN Hi all, I'm looking at implementing a iSCSI SAN / NAS hybrid solution for one of my clients who runs a production studio (24bit multi-track audio and up to 4k video collaboration). I haven't, however had any experience with installing 10Gbe networks as yet, and know very little about them apart from that cat6a is required to go over 100m and that latency is higher with copper vs SFP+. My initial reaction was to go with 10GBase-T as it's a familiar format to me (especially where running cable is concerned) but I'm happy to be convinced on the merits of running fibre. Does anyone have any experiences they can share on this topic? Thanks, Ben Jackson eLogik m:0404 924745 e: ben(a)elogik.net w: www.elogik.com.au [image: http://www.elogik.com.au] _______________________________________________ Public mailing list Public(a)talk.mikrotik.com.au http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk.mikrotik.com.au ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 17:19:49 +1000 From: Ben Jackson To: MikroTik Australia Public List Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] 10GBase-T SAN Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi Alex, Yep it would need to be 10g from end to end as the individual iMacs will need to reap the benefit of the extra bandwidth. I.e they will be the ones streaming large files from the SAN. My thoughts were to install thunderbolt 10gbe adaptors on each iMac to allow this. The advantage being that only one connection per mac would be needed as opposed to a fibre san which would need a separate fibre connection for each client? Or maybe I'm thinking about this the wrong way? Ben On 8 Aug 2016 16:41, "Alex Samad - Yieldbroker" wrote: > Sounds interesting. > > Q) you doing 10G from workstation to datacentre ? or just the cluster of > servers in the DC. > > I personally like SFP+ modules- you can choice between fibre or ... if I > can't use SMOF, or if it's in the same rack, I go with DAC cables. They > have the SFP and cable pre attached .. you can be a bit more rough with > them compare to fibre. > > It sounds like a rack with servers, storage and switching. > > So Office -> rack area ??? not sure depends on run > > Server -> switch ... DAC > Switch -> storage .. DAC > > Alex > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of > Ben Jackson > Sent: Monday, 8 August 2016 4:35 PM > To: MikroTik Australia Public List > Subject: [MT-AU Public] 10GBase-T SAN > > Hi all, > > I'm looking at implementing a iSCSI SAN / NAS hybrid solution for one of > my clients who runs a production studio (24bit multi-track audio and up to > 4k video collaboration). > > I haven't, however had any experience with installing 10Gbe networks as > yet, and know very little about them apart from that cat6a is required to > go over 100m and that latency is higher with copper vs SFP+. > > My initial reaction was to go with 10GBase-T as it's a familiar format to > me (especially where running cable is concerned) but I'm happy to be > convinced on the merits of running fibre. > > Does anyone have any experiences they can share on this topic? > > Thanks, > > > Ben Jackson > eLogik > m:0404 924745 > e: ben(a)elogik.net > w: www.elogik.com.au > [image: http://www.elogik.com.au] > _______________________________________________ > Public mailing list > Public(a)talk.mikrotik.com.au > http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk.mikrotik.com.au > > _______________________________________________ > Public mailing list > Public(a)talk.mikrotik.com.au > http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk.mikrotik.com.au > ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 17:25:22 +1000 From: Ben Jackson To: MikroTik Australia Public List Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] 10GBase-T SAN Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Thanks Paul. Do I need to go out and do a fibre installation course or could I just go ahead and do it with my current cabling knowledge? The premises is an old double brick building. What sorts of things do I need to be aware of when running fibre vs cat6? Ben On 8 Aug 2016 16:41, "Paul Julian" wrote: > Hi Ben, I would always use fibre for anything more than a couple of metres > on 10G, even for that I would use fibre. > > With the array of pre-terminated fibre cabling out now it's just as easy > to run fibre as it is to run copper virtually, yes it costs a bit more but > you can upgrade in the future with no cabling changes needed, it's a no > brainer for us in such situations. > > Regards > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of > Ben Jackson > Sent: Monday, 8 August 2016 4:35 PM > To: MikroTik Australia Public List > Subject: [MT-AU Public] 10GBase-T SAN > > Hi all, > > I'm looking at implementing a iSCSI SAN / NAS hybrid solution for one of > my clients who runs a production studio (24bit multi-track audio and up to > 4k video collaboration). > > I haven't, however had any experience with installing 10Gbe networks as > yet, and know very little about them apart from that cat6a is required to > go over 100m and that latency is higher with copper vs SFP+. > > My initial reaction was to go with 10GBase-T as it's a familiar format to > me (especially where running cable is concerned) but I'm happy to be > convinced on the merits of running fibre. > > Does anyone have any experiences they can share on this topic? > > Thanks, > > > Ben Jackson > eLogik > m:0404 924745 > e: ben(a)elogik.net > w: www.elogik.com.au > [image: http://www.elogik.com.au] > _______________________________________________ > Public mailing list > Public(a)talk.mikrotik.com.au > http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk.mikrotik.com.au > > > _______________________________________________ > Public mailing list > Public(a)talk.mikrotik.com.au > http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk.mikrotik.com.au > ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 07:30:17 +0000 From: Alex Samad - Yieldbroker To: MikroTik Australia Public List Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] 10GBase-T SAN Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hmm okay. So you have a bunch of Mac's that want fast file access. You are going to connect via iSCSI or nfs ? Sounds like you are in a building. So I still think 10G switch SAN storage attaches to it ( DAC cable(s) ) MAC to switch ... just like cat cabling, but run fibre... ??? but do the mac 10G adaptors do fibre ??? they might only be 10Gb-T. If so find a switch that has 10GBT and SFP+ (probably the SFP+ will be for stacking but use it to connect the NAS/SAN device). Then run fibre (or cat 6??) to the dekstops. Alex -----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of Ben Jackson Sent: Monday, 8 August 2016 5:20 PM To: MikroTik Australia Public List Subject: Re: [MT-AU Public] 10GBase-T SAN Hi Alex, Yep it would need to be 10g from end to end as the individual iMacs will need to reap the benefit of the extra bandwidth. I.e they will be the ones streaming large files from the SAN. My thoughts were to install thunderbolt 10gbe adaptors on each iMac to allow this. The advantage being that only one connection per mac would be needed as opposed to a fibre san which would need a separate fibre connection for each client? Or maybe I'm thinking about this the wrong way? Ben On 8 Aug 2016 16:41, "Alex Samad - Yieldbroker" wrote: > Sounds interesting. > > Q) you doing 10G from workstation to datacentre ? or just the cluster > of servers in the DC. > > I personally like SFP+ modules- you can choice between fibre or ... if > I can't use SMOF, or if it's in the same rack, I go with DAC cables. > They have the SFP and cable pre attached .. you can be a bit more > rough with them compare to fibre. > > It sounds like a rack with servers, storage and switching. > > So Office -> rack area ??? not sure depends on run > > Server -> switch ... DAC > Switch -> storage .. DAC > > Alex > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Public [mailto:public-bounces@talk.mikrotik.com.au] On Behalf Of > Ben Jackson > Sent: Monday, 8 August 2016 4:35 PM > To: MikroTik Australia Public List > Subject: [MT-AU Public] 10GBase-T SAN > > Hi all, > > I'm looking at implementing a iSCSI SAN / NAS hybrid solution for one > of my clients who runs a production studio (24bit multi-track audio > and up to 4k video collaboration). > > I haven't, however had any experience with installing 10Gbe networks > as yet, and know very little about them apart from that cat6a is > required to go over 100m and that latency is higher with copper vs SFP+. > > My initial reaction was to go with 10GBase-T as it's a familiar format > to me (especially where running cable is concerned) but I'm happy to > be convinced on the merits of running fibre. > > Does anyone have any experiences they can share on this topic? > > Thanks, > > > Ben Jackson > eLogik > m:0404 924745 > e: ben(a)elogik.net > w: www.elogik.com.au > [image: http://www.elogik.com.au] > _______________________________________________ > Public mailing list > Public(a)talk.mikrotik.com.au > http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk.mikrotik.com. > au > > _______________________________________________ > Public mailing list > Public(a)talk.mikrotik.com.au > http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk.mikrotik.com. > au > _______________________________________________ Public mailing list Public(a)talk.mikrotik.com.au http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk.mikrotik.com.au ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ Public mailing list Public(a)talk.mikrotik.com.au http://talk.mikrotik.com.au/mailman/listinfo/public_talk.mikrotik.com.au ------------------------------ End of Public Digest, Vol 30, Issue 4 *************************************

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